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    Asalam alikum wr wb,

    i brought myself a game the other day called the quran challenge alhumdulila. As i was playing it a sister happened to call me and i told her i was playing a game and she asked if there was dice involved when i told her there was, she said there is an opinion that its haram due to the gambling involved in the throw of the dice.

    I can understand that but just wanted to know how strong the opinon is?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sumayyah_afshar
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    I can understand that but just wanted to know how strong the opinon is?
    Me too insha'allah.


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    taken from www.quranicsciences.com
    Question
    salam, what is your opinion on playing games? ie. board games, video games, and such
    Answer
    There are three types of board games.
    1) Games of chance or those in which whatever you get is yours like “trouble” or “ sorry” etc
    2) Games of mind like checkers, chess etc.
    3) Games of chance and mind like monopoly etc.

    The ruling for these games is:
    Playing such games will be Mabaah (allowed without reward or sin) if there is any one of the 4 following benefits or else it is Makrooh.
    1) Islamic benefit for example “steps to paradise”
    2) Wordly benefit which is in accordance to Islam for example buying and selling properties or money management etc like monopoly.
    3) Mental benefit for example checkers
    4) Educational benefit for example math games or scrabble etc.
    Wasting time playing will also make these games Makrooh (undesirable).

    Regarding chess, so there is a difference of opinion within the scholars because even though it is giving mental benefit, there is the use of statues in it.

    Majority of the scholars say it is Haraam

    Only Imam Shafi is under the opinion that is is Makrooh (undesirable) and in one opinion related from the Shafi scholars is that playing chess is also Mabaah (allowed without reward or sin).

    Regarding video games so it will fall under the same category as the above (i.e if benefit then Mabaah or else Makrooh)
    you can Also consider this Quote from the Encyclopedia, 1993-1997 - Microsoft Corp.
    “Critics of video games contend that children spend too much time and money on the games and that immersion in the fantasy of video games can have adverse effects on personality maturation. There have also been reports that the flashing graphics can trigger seizures in people who have certain types of epilepsy.”

    Wallahu Alam

    Abu Zaid Uthman bin Mahmood


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    Regarding video games so it will fall under the same category as the above (i.e if benefit then Mabaah or else Makrooh)
    Most games have music in them. (you can mute the music if you want, I doubt many people do that though)

    Have you seen games like GTA Vice City which have stages where you can visit strip clubs and night clubs?

    How about 50 cents new game which is full of curse words.

    There are countless other video games similar to these.

    So I guess to watch listen and play video games like these will be considered makrooh?

    Would the same ruling apply if you watch TV and observe the same things?

    read below:

    A federal judge issued a preliminary injunction stopping a Michigan law that bars retailers from selling or renting violent video games to minors from going into effect until a lawsuit filed by the gaming industry is resolved.

    The Entertainment Software Association, a trade group representing U.S. computer and video game publishers, filed the suit in September, charging that the law is unconstitutionally vague and limits First Amendment constitutional rights. Gov. Jennifer Granholm signed the law in September, and it was scheduled to take effect December 1.

    The lawsuit names Granholm, Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox and Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy as defendants.

    In his order issued Wednesday, U.S. District Judge George Steeh said the defendants are not likely to win the case, and further stated, "the loss of First Amendment freedoms, for even minimal periods of time, unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury."

    A Granholm spokeswoman did not immediately return a call seeking comment Wednesday night.

    Douglas Lowenstein, president of the Entertainment Software Association, applauded the judge's decision in a statement Wednesday, calling the state's arguments "weak and unpersuasive."

    The gaming industry also has sued to block similar laws approved in California and Illinois. Federal courts have previously struck down video game restrictions approved by Washington state, Indianapolis and St. Louis County in Missouri, saying they encroached on the First Amendment.

    The state laws were passed after hidden sex scenes were discovered in a popular game, "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas." Public complaints also spurred a Federal Trade Commission investigation and a new rating for the "San Andreas" game from "M" for mature to "AO" for adults only.

    Granholm also has signed bills aimed at keeping adult-rated games with sexually explicit material away from children, but the gaming industry isn't contesting those laws.


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    So what if chess pieces were created that did not depict animate life?

    Would the ruling concerning it change?


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    Hazrat Mufti Mahmood Saheb, the former Grand Mufti of India, mentioned the
    following principle by which games could be judged:
    That game would be permissible which is not an exclusive symbol (Shi-'aar)
    of the Kuffaar or Fussaq, there is no condition of money being wagered on
    winning or losing and furthermore, by playing the game Deeni obligations are
    not left out, and there is nothing contrary to Shari'ah in it.

    Those games and sports whereby a person's health is maintained and increased
    and the intention thereby is to become able-bodied against the enemies of
    Islâm and to acquire skills for Jihaad then by this intention, such sports
    and games will, in fact, be encouraged like in the case of horse riding and
    swimming.

    Mahmoodiyah (Vol. 15 Pg. 364-365)



    From this it could be understood that playing games like monopoly would be
    permissible, however spending ones valuable time on more fruitful pursuits
    would be preferred.

    And Allah Ta'ala knows best
    (From Askimam)


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    Sheikh Yusuf Al Qaradawi's fatwa on the issue.
    Just wanted to share it.

    http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503543132


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    As Salaam Alaikum

    Every scholar is a scholar and an inheritor of the Prophet SAW. People who criticize him only do it out of ignorance. I know that the Ulema of Dewsbury (where I studied) all respect him for his knowledge, along with dissagreeing with him at certain places.
    Mufti Taqi had asked him to write the Taqreez of his sharah of Muslim too.
    Therefor I respect him and like him however I may dissagree with him in certain issues.

    Was Salaam
    Abu Zaid


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    Quote Originally Posted by AbuZaid
    As Salaam Alaikum

    Every scholar is a scholar and an inheritor of the Prophet SAW. People who criticize him only do it out of ignorance. I know that the Ulema of Dewsbury (where I studied) all respect him for his knowledge, along with dissagreeing with him at certain places.
    Mufti Taqi had asked him to write the Taqreez of his sharah of Muslim too.
    Therefor I respect him and like him however I may dissagree with him in certain issues.

    Was Salaam
    Abu Zaid
    Ma Sha Allah. Oh really? Yes we disagree in certain places with people but I totally agree with what you are saying. This is exactly how I see the world as well insha Allah. Alot of people come out criticizing every single Shaykh. Every `Alim has some good in him really - even if they made some mistakes. I remember there was a man who was Mutazile in `Aqeedah but really big in Hanafi fiqh.

    Shaykh Abu Qanit al-Hassani said:

    "It is the way of the ignorant masses to make general statements."

    You cannot just say "Qaradawi is bad" but yes like you said you take the good and leave that which we disagree upon.

    I think that people need to realize this and become more open minded. For example Ustadh `Amr Khaled does good talks and has much benefit yet I do not know that he has any ijazas or not.

    You just got to learn the principles and get that "filter" and then learn what to keep and what to avoid.

    And with Allah is success,

    Omar.


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    I asked Shaykh `Ali al-`Iraqi the Maliki opinion on Monopoly.

    He said the ruling is the same as cards.

    In the Maliki schools there are two sayings on cards: makruh and haram. Shaykh `Ali said there is no mashhur while I have heard Shaykh Abu Qanit say that makruh is the mashhur. While the Maritaunian Malikis such as Shaykh Rami Nsour say that all games are haram.

    Wassalam.


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