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    Exclamation Jesus prophecies Islam / Ahmad in Bible + describes "People of the Book" (of QurŽan!)

    SALAAM! PLEASE HELP TO SHARE THIS WITH CHRISTIANS, IN THE NAME OF THE MOST MERCIFUL:

    JESUS PROPHESIED ISLAM AND TOLD ABOUT “PEOPLE OF THE BOOK”-RELIGIONS (of QurŽan), AND TIME-SCHEDULE OF THOSE, AND TOLD ORDER OF THOSE RELIGIONS WITH DESCRIPTIONS: (Allah knows best)

    (These are connected to Luke.5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions.)

    1 "hour" = approx. 200 hundred years, from Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC (and so Jewish-religion 1600 BC->) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 12 hours = 200 years

    Matt.20:1. "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner (God) who went (send prophets) out early in the morning (before "first hour" of 12 hours of day in Jewish calendar, so Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC and Jews as a religion after them in "first hour" 1600-1400 BC) to hire men (believers) to work (for His glory) in his vineyard (Earth). 2. He agreed to pay them a denarius (paradise) for the day (world history) and sent them into his vineyard.

    3. "About the third hour (1300/1200-1100 BC Sabians/Zarathustrians, even in Bible there is two "Sabians" in opposite directions, another possibly in South-Iraq) he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing (Judaism had not spread much outside their own Jewish nation). 4.He told them, 'You also (besides Judaism) go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5. So they went.

    "He went out again about the sixth hour (600 BC beginning of prophesies about Messiah) and the ninth hour (around 1 AC Jesus were born) and did the same thing (created Christians and Christianity).

    6. ABOUT (not exactly 400-600 AC) the eleventh hour (Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him: 570-632 AC) he went out (send prophet) and found still others (Arabs) standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing (Arabs had not had religions through prophets, only polytheism-paganism)?'

    7. " 'Because no one has hired us (Arabs were so despised that even Byzantium or Persia did not want to conquer and convert them),' they answered. "He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.'


    8. "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages (what they deserve), beginning with the last ones hired (Muslims) and going on to the first (Jews).'

    9. "The workers (Muslims) who were hired about the eleventh hour (500-700 AC) came and each received a denarius. 10. So when those came who were hired first (Jews), they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner (God). 12. 'These men who were hired last (Muslims) worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day (persecutions, slavery, occupations).'

    13. "But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? 14. Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous (you want to keep God for your nation only, as a "chosen people")?'

    16. "So the last (Muslims) will be first, and the first (Jews) will be last."

    [Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, said that even though he was last of prophets, and Muslims are last of believers, they will be first to enter paradise, "last will be first"]

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    1 "year" = approx. 600 years, from Abraham / Jacob and so Jews 1800 BC to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 4 "year" = 600 years

    Luke.13:6. Then he told this parable: "A master (God) had a fig tree (symbol of Israel in Bible), planted in his vineyard (Earth), and he went to look for fruit (results) on it, but did not find any. 7. So he said to the man (Jesus) who took care of the vineyard (Judaism "only true religion"/least corrupted in the world in times of Jesus), 'For three (3*600 = 1800) years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil (why not to do better religion)?'

    8. " 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one (1*600) more year(s), and I'll dig around it and fertilize it (make world ready for Islam, also in Middle-East, "around" Israel as in [Christian] Arabia/Egypt/Syria). 9. If it bears fruit next year (in 600 years), fine! If not, THEN cut it down (Judaism and so also its sect/branch Christianity from way of Islam, after that “year”, 600 years, passed after Jesus).' "
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    More explanations in:

    http://www.angelfire.com/planet/koran/

    or in

    http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/
    Last edited by AbduRahman (Kai); 01-03-2006 at 09:42 AM. Reason: More detail explanations:


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    Arrow More explanations to Christians:

    It supports my interpretation that according to these parallels all of these groups of workers WORK UNTILL END OF DAY (beginning from their appearance), just as Jews, Christians and Muslims are doing now in the world. Christian interpretation about earlier and later Christians can not be taken seriously, as neither of those Christians have not and will not live from "beginning" to judgment, they are just humans who will die. But religions will not die.

    Tell me Christians how can this be so? Did not Jesus saw (as a "GOD"!!!???) coming of Islam, and so also fact how these parallels can easily be connected into it? Did he not care f.ex. about me, former Christian, who accepted Islam much because of these parallels?

    And please, do not say it told about God giving reward for believers (why so complicate parallels for that, when you can just say f.ex. "God gives reward for believers", especially if he did not meant to give such great proof for Muslims in Bible?). It has much more than just that, or then you will claim that Jesus was just a man with big futile words without any reasonable meaning.

    And please do not say it is about different groups of Christians (disciples, apostle Paul and then later Christians), why would disciples get angry for God because later Christians (that actually even converted because of work disciples did) enter heaven BEFORE THEM (only before them, as anyway all of them would be "saved by their faith" according to Christianity)???

    And why f.ex. coming of 3rd group happens in time of BOTH 6th and 9th hours? Did Paul come to teach Christianity twice, long period of nothing between? Did not Jesus hire disciples in quite tight time-schedule, why would there be "three hours" between?

    And most importantly, prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) did not even mention these parallels or gave any interpretations of those. Still "People of the Book" from QurŽan can be fitted here perfecly. And prophet Mohammed (pbuh) was definitely way too intelligent not to have explained/used Bible for his advance, if you claim that he just copied/fitted those "groups"/religions into QurŽan too. He was prophet and knew that these are realized to belong together, when it is its time.
    THIS WAS FROM MY BOOK IN:

    http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/

    JESUS PROPHESIED "KINGDOM OF GOD", ISLAM:

    http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran...ndex.album?i=0


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    Exclamation My Calculations:

    MY CALCULATIONS IN Matt.20:1-16

    There is no mentioning if workers came in what part of each "hour"

    ("about") 11th = 400-600 AC, Islam 570-632AC (to beginning of 12th)
    10th = 200-400 AC
    9th = 1 AC-200 AC (Christianity 32 AC ->)
    8th = 200 BC- 1 AD
    7th = 400 BC-200 BC
    6th = 600 BC-400 BC (Messiah prophesied)
    5th = 800 BC-600 BC
    4th = 1000 BC- 800 BC
    3th = 1200-1000 BC (Sabians / Zarathustrians)
    2nd = 1400 BC-1200 BC
    1st = 1600 BC-1400 BC (Early Jews)
    "0-hour" = 1800 BC-1600 BC. ("Early in the morning he went", not actually INSIDE first hour, Jewish religion was practically born only after Jacob etc. in 1600 BC-1400 BC)

    Well, Jesus did not go to practice math in schools. This is not math-exam, but for people to understand some idea. And maybe he being just a human, who makes errors and has somewhat limited knowledge, is reason also to why there is least "error-marginale" (+ - inside 200 years) in places of parallel connected to himself and Christianity.

    MY CALCULATIONS IN Luke 13:6-9

    Maybe Israel AS AN OFFICIAL STATE (eventhough part of Rome and so not state) was "cut down" 70 AC, but Jewish religion and its sect Christianity did not "expire" as a (right) religions before Islam came 600 years after Jesus (Jesus 32 AC - Mohammed 632 AC) from point of Islam. Israel itself as a state have no importance for God without its religion, do you Christians agree that from Bible?

    Israel (that "tree") is not subject anymore after its cutting down (in 600 AC), but ground around it. "Ground around it" is symbol for spiritual, geological and religious connection between semitistic Islamic and Jewish religions. But before it (before Islam, those last 600 years that were given extra-time) Jewish-tree has opportunity to grow fruits "next year". Obviously it did not do so as God created Islam. All that tree produced during that "year" (600 years) was form of Christianity that worshipped Jewish prophet as a god. From Jewish view those are not good fruits.
    THIS WAS FROM MY BOOK IN:

    http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/

    JESUS PROPHESIED "KINGDOM OF GOD", ISLAM:

    http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran...ndex.album?i=0


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