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    Sunni Shia Unity

    by Sheila Musaji

    How short is our memory. Divide and rule is not a new tactic. Differences within a society of race, religion, or ethnicity which might not mean much in good times, have been exploited for centuries when there is uncertainty and fear because of economic or political hardship. When people feel threatened by forces outside of their control, then it is easy to stir up anger towards the “other”. Whether the threat is real or imaginary, whether it is created through propoganda, or simply the result of looking for a scapegoat, it is easy to manipulate people into thinking that someone else is responsible for their troubles. With a long history of colonial powers using such differences to divide and rule all of us should be aware of and resistant to this tactic, Since this doesn’t seem to be the case, and since we can still be so easily manipulated, our memories must be very short indeed.

    The current trajedy of the bombing of the Shia Mosque in Iraq and the subsequent retaliation attacks on Sunni Mosques is possibly the most explosive and dangerous incident in our lifetime and could lead to even deeper divisions in our already divided community if we are not wise.

    There are a lot of questions we need to ask - who actually did this? - who benefits? - who is responsible for stirring up hatred? - who are the real enemies of the Muslim umma?

    There have been both Muslims and non-Muslims who have been responsible for stirring up animosity and prejudice between Sunni’s and Shia’s - and it has spilled over into random violence for a number of years.

    A recent MPAC statement against the current violence pointed to one Muslim source of the sectarianism: “MPAC believes that a climate of intolerance in the Muslim world against Shiia’s has been fermented in part by poisonous anti-Shia teachings that emanate primarily from a strict Wahabi ideology.” An article by Yoginder Sikand also pointed to the influence of some within the Muslim community to paint those who do not follow their particular interpretation as “the enemy”

    One example of non-Muslim sources for this increased sectarianism may be found in a Rand Study released in 2004 which suggested exploiting Sunni Shia and Arab non-Arab divides to promote U.S. Policy.

    Imam Sa’dullah Khan has pointed out that: ”Political machinations often deepened the wounds of division, and the historical Sunni-Shi’a differences are still passionately employed by people with vested interests for political or “religious” hegemony.”

    Imam Khomeini said in a speech at Qum 20 years ago. “The filthy hands which aggravate the differences between the Shi’ites and Sunni Muslims, belong neither to the Shi’ites nor the Sunnis. They are the hands of the colonialists which plan to take the Islamic countries out of our hands. The colonial powers who want to plunder our wealth through various schemes and conspiracies are the ones who hatch plots for creating division under the pretext of Shi’ism or Sunnism.”

    The Executive Director of CAIR Nihad Awad said: “The atrocious attack on the Askariya shrine is an obvious attempt to incite sectarian violence. The Iraqi people, and Muslims worldwide, must not fall into the trap set by those who seek division and mutual hatred. Sectarian violence serves only the enemies of Iraq and the Iraqi people."

    Anyone who is responsible for instigating sectarian division and violence is either an enemy of Islam, or doing the work of the enemies of Islam.

    The Qur’an has given us clear guidelines to follow.

    “O you who believe! Stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to Piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.” [Quran 5:8]

    And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah’s favor on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided. Qur’an 3:103

    Verily, this brotherhood of yours is a single brotherhood, and I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore serve Me (and no other). Qur’an 21:92 and 23:52

    “As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah. He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.” Qur’an 6:159

    Many of our scholars have provided clear rulings

    The Amman Statement (which was issued in July of 2005 at a historical meeting of 170 Sunni and Shia religious scholars from 40 countries) is so important it needs to be reproduced here in full. In fact, it should be reproduced in huge quantities and passed out at every mosque, and each of us should keep a few copies ready to pass out to any who raise the issue of sectarianism. Note particularly that eight schools of law are recognized.

    “In accordance with the fatwas issued by the Honourable and Respectable Grand Imam Shaykh al-Azhar, the Grand Ayatollah Al-Sayyid Ali Al-Sistani, the Honourable and Respectable Grand Mufti of Egypt, the Honourable and Respectable Shi‘i clerics (both Ja‘fari and Zaydi), the Honourable and Respectable Grand Mufti of the Sultanate of Oman, the Islamic Fiqh Academy in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Grand Council for Religious Affairs of Turkey, the Honourable and Respectable Grand Mufti of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the Respectable Members of its National Fatwa Committee, and the Honourable and Respectable Shaykh Dr. Yusuf Al-Qaradawi;

    And in accordance with what was mentioned in the speech of His Hashemite Majesty King Abdullah II bin Al-Hussein, King of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan during the opening session of our conference; And in accordance with our own knowledge in sincerity to Allah the Bounteous; nd in accordance with what was presented in this our conference by way of research papers and studies, and by way of the discussions that transpired in it; We, the undersigned, hereby express our approval and affirmation of what appears below:

    1) Whosoever is an adherent of one of the four Sunni Schools of Jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi‘i and Hanbali), the Ja‘fari (Shi‘i) School of Jurisprudence, the Zaydi School of Jurisprudence, the Ibadi School of Jurisprudence, or the Thahiri School of Jurisprudence is a Muslim. Declaring that person an apostate is impossible. Verily his (or her) blood, honour, and property are sacrosanct. Moreover, in accordance with what appeared in the fatwa of the Honourable and Respectable Shaykh al-Azhar, it is not possible to declare whosoever subscribes to the Ash‘ari creed or whoever practices true Sufism an apostate. Likewise, it is not possible to declare whosoever subscribes to true Salafi thought an apostate. Equally, it is not possible to declare as apostates any group of Muslims who believes in Allah the Mighty and Sublime and His Messenger (may Peace and Blessings be upon him) and the pillars of faith, and respects the pillars of Islam and does not deny any necessary article of religion.

    2) There exists more in common between the various Schools of Jurisprudence than there is difference. The adherents to the eight Schools of Jurisprudence are in agreement as regards the basic Islamic principles. All believe in Allah the Mighty and Sublime, the One and the Unique; that the Noble Qur’an is the Revealed Word of Allah; and that our master Muhammad, may Blessings and Peace be upon him, is a Prophet and Messenger unto all mankind. All are in agreement about the five pillars of Islam: the two testaments of faith (shahadatayn), the ritual prayer (salat), almsgiving (zakat), fasting the month of Ramadan (sawm), and the Hajj to the Sacred House of Allah. All are also in agreement about the foundations of belief: belief in Allah, His Angels, His Scriptures, His Messengers, and in the Day of Judgement, in Divine providence — good and evil. Disagremment between the ‘ualma’ is only with respect to the ancillary branches of religion (furu) and not the principles and fundamentals (Usul). Disagreement with respect to the ancillary branches of religion (furu) is a mercy. Long ago it was said that variance in opinion among ‘ulama’ “is a good affair”.

    3) Acknowledgement of the Schools of Jurisprudence within Islam means adhering to a fundamental methodology in the issuance of fatwas. No one may issue a fatwa without the requisite personal qualifications which each School of Jurisprudence defines. No one may issue a fatwa without adhering to the methodology of the Schools of Jurisprudence. No one may claim to do absolute Ijtihad and create a new School of Jurisprudence or to issue unacceptable fatwas that take Muslims out of the principles and certainties of the Shari‘ah and what has been established in respect of its Schools of Jurisprudence.

    4) The essence of the Amman Message, which was issued on the Blessed Night of Power in the year 1425 H. and which was read aloud in Masjid al-Hashimiyyin, is adherence to the Schools of Jurisprudence and their fundamental methodology. Acknowledging the Schools of Jurisprudence and affirming discussion and engagement between them ensures fairness, moderation, mutual forgiveness, compassion, and engaging in dialogue with others.

    5) We call for casting aside disagreement between Muslims and unifying their words and stances; reaffirming their mutual respect for each other; fortifying mutual affinity among their peoples and states; strengthening the ties of brotherhood which unite them in the mutual love of Allah. And we call upon Muslims to not permit discord and outside interference between them.

    A hopeful sign that ordinary Muslims are getting fed up with those who are determined to spread sectarian prejudice is the recent protest march in London where up to 15,000 Sunnis and Shias marched and protested violence and demand unity.

    There are other hopeful signs, and as Dahr Jamail has pointed out, even in Iraq both the Sunni and the Shia religious leadership (including Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani and Hojatoleslam Moqtada al-Sadr) have urged restraint.- "As quickly as these horrible events began, they were called to an end and replaced by acts of solidarity between Sunni and Shia across Iraq. This, however, was not shown by western corporate media. ... Demonstrations of solidarity between Sunni and Shia went off over all of Iraq: in Basra, Diwaniyah, Nasiriyah, Kut, and Salah al-Din. Thousands of Shia marched shouting anti-American slogans through Sadr City, the huge Shia slum area of Baghdad, which is home to nearly half the population of the capital city. ... Baghdad had huge demonstrations of solidarity, following announcements by several Shia religious leaders not to attack Sunni mosques."

    Yasin Aljibouri made a statement that beautifully sums up what should be the Muslim position on this issue “If some Shi’ahs speak ill of their Sunni brethren and their beliefs, the rest of the Sh’iahs of the world should not on their account be condemned, and the same is true for Sunnis who speak ill of their Shi’ah brethren and their beliefs. There are fanatics in all religions and sects of the world, and their fanaticism must be condemned. There are extremists among the Sunni and Shi’ah, but their views cannot be held as the criterion whereby the entire doctrine is judged. ... We pray the all-Mighty Who did not Call us anything but Muslims, neither Sunnis nor Shi’ahs, to strengthen our faith and our Brotherhood and unite us together under the shade of His Deen so that we deserve to be Called Muslims, and so that His Messenger Muhammad will not be ashamed of us on the Day of Resurrection.”

    Any other position can only lead us far from the teachings of the Qur’an and towards disaster. We must develop long memories and be vigilant in identifying both internal and external enemies who would encourage us to let loose the rope of Allah.

    SOURCES:

    Ahmed Deedat on Sunni Shia Unity 1982 http://www.inminds.com/unity.html
    Imam Khomeini on Sunni Shia Unity 2000 http://www.inminds.com/imam-khomeini-on-unity.html
    Yusuf al-Qaradawi’s Approach to Sunni Shia Dialogue http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php...unni_dialogue/
    Al Sadr Calls for Sunni Shia Unity 2004 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1192296/posts
    Maulana Kalbe Sadiq’s Theology of Islamic Ecumenism http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php...mic_ecumenism/
    Imam Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim Calls for Unity http://www.newspress.com/Top/Article...87461234902802
    Sunnis and Shias Uniting Against the U.S., Dahr Jamail 2004 http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0514-03.htm
    Sunnis and Shias: The Battle the U.S. Wants to Provoke, Naomi Klein 2004 http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/st...186445,00.html
    Sunnis and Shias Rally After Ashura Bombings http://iwpr.net/?p=icr&s=f&o=168242&...te=heniicr2004
    Sunni Shia Unity, Dr. Shahid Athar http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php...a_sunni_unity/
    Dialogue Between Shias and Sunnis, Muhammad Zakir Khan Azmi http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php...as_and_sunnis/
    Rand Report’s Attempt to Change Islam, Abdus Sattar Ghazali http://www.iviews.com/Articles/artic...ef=IV0503-2647
    RAND Corporation?s Ungracious Strategy For a Civil Democratic Islam?: Muslims Searching For Partners, By Javeed Akhter http://theamericanmuslim.org/2004mar...d=439_0_26_0_C
    and the TAM section on RELIGION BUILDING containing numerous articles http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/200...=469_0_23_30_C
    Shia Mosque Bombings: Whose Bombs Were They? http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publ...icle_532.shtml
    Great Sacriledge at al-Askari Shrine http://www.iviews.com/Articles/artic...ef=IV0602-2927
    The El Salvador Option in Iraq: Flashback http://www.cfr.org/publication/7988/...r_in_iraq.html


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    Salam Alaykum

    I would like to make one simple explanation, followed by some questions. If the answer is positive, then it is a good sign, but if not, then there are still huge problems:

    We see the Sunnis are taking some steps to come together with the Shias. For example, the issue of the Jafari Ithna Ashari fiqh as being acceptable. We as Sunnis do not see a contardiction between a Muslim and a believer, thus the term Muslim is all-encompassing, even if the person is commiting Bidah.

    It should be pointed out though, that according to Shia ideology, there is a big difference between a Muslim and a Mu'min. According to them, a Musilm is the one who says the Shahaadah, while the Mu'min is the one who is a Shia and believes in the Shia Imaams. On the Day of Judgement, only Mu'mins go to Paradise, and non-Mu'min Muslims are to remain in Hellfire eternally, just as Hindus, Jews, and Christians. Thus, a Shia may call a Sunni his "Muslim brother" and this has no problem in the mind of the Shia.

    The question should actually be: What have the Hawzas in Qom and Najaf done to change their age-old opinions about the Shia being the only ones worthy of Paradise, while Sunni Muslims are to burn eternally in Hellfire? Have they accepted that one can be a Maliki, Hanafi, Hanbali, or Shafii, and still be a believer who will go to Jannah, or are they sticking to Jafari fiqh as the only way to Paradise? It must be remembered that a Sunni may switch between the 4 madhabs without problem, but a Shia cannot simply "switch" to another "school of fiqh" without leaving the Shia religion.

    So these are the issues I would like to be answered in this respect. Until the Shias do not take positive steps in that direction, talk of "unity" actually means talk of a one-way street of "Sunnis should convert to Shiaism" and will generally to nowhere.


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    "The Amman Statement (which was issued in July of 2005 at a historical meeting of 170 Sunni and Shia religious scholars from 40 countries) is so important it needs to be reproduced here in full. In fact, it should be reproduced in huge quantities and passed out at every mosque, and each of us should keep a few copies ready to pass out to any who raise the issue of sectarianism. Note particularly that eight schools of law are recognized.

    'In accordance with the fatwas issued by the Honourable and Respectable Grand Imam Shaykh al-Azhar, the Grand Ayatollah Al-Sayyid Ali Al-Sistani, the Honourable and Respectable Grand Mufti of Egypt, the Honourable and Respectable Shi‘i clerics (both Ja‘fari and Zaydi),...'"

    It seems clear that such a statement could not have been made without the support of Sunnis and Shi'ites.

    Do you recognize any Shi'ites brothers or scholars as mu'min? Do most Sunnis? It may be true that most Sunnis and Shi'ites simply consider each other Muslims. This is a start. Because one cannot violate the blood, property, and dignity of another Muslim. But you are right, there are also extremist Shi'ites. And I also write and speak to them about respecting Sunni Islam.

    wa salam,
    Abu Abdallah
    Last edited by Abu Abdallah; 07-03-2006 at 04:55 AM.


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    The statement is misleading. Generally, shi'ah are accepted as Muslims, yes. But Ahl al-Bid'ah nonetheless. Ahl as-Sunnah have never accepted a "fifth" madhhab called the "Ja'fari" madhhab as a valid one to follow.

    So there is a big difference between accepting the shi'ah as Muslims and actually calling to have some sort of "unity" with them. Such "unity" has never been achieved in the past, and was never supported by the classical and traditional ulama of the past 1400 years until some people in the early 1900's who came out of al-Azhar influenced by Muhammad 'Abduh, Jamal ad-Din al-Afghani and Rashid Ridha, suddenly calling for the acceptance of a "fifth madhhab" of a sect that had always unanimously been condemned by Ahl as-Sunnah as heretics and innovators.


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    On the Day of Judgement, only Mu'mins go to Paradise, and non-Mu'min Muslims are to remain in Hellfire eternally, just as Hindus, Jews, and Christians.

    This is not true and completely false. All MUSLIMS eventually goto paradise (those who accepted the Shahada and did not have any kufr beliefs) - Ahlul Bid`ah goes to hell for a temporary time period if Allah does not forgive them. This is in all of the `Aqeedah books of the Sunnis and even the Salafi ones.

    Wassalam.


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    It depends on your definition of mu'min and Muslim as well - Mu'min in the basic `Aqeedah sence is one who believes the beliefs of Islam (even if they are mixed with some bid`ah as long as there is no kufr) this type of person eventually goes to heaven.

    No MUSLIM will ever enter hellfire forever (unless he committed kufr of course) this is completely false and actually a bid`i belief itself so I urge you to change it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Abdallah
    "The Amman Statement (which was issued in July of 2005 at a historical meeting of 170 Sunni and Shia religious scholars from 40 countries) is so important it needs to be reproduced here in full. In fact, it should be reproduced in huge quantities and passed out at every mosque, and each of us should keep a few copies ready to pass out to any who raise the issue of sectarianism. Note particularly that eight schools of law are recognized.

    'In accordance with the fatwas issued by the Honourable and Respectable Grand Imam Shaykh al-Azhar, the Grand Ayatollah Al-Sayyid Ali Al-Sistani, the Honourable and Respectable Grand Mufti of Egypt, the Honourable and Respectable Shi‘i clerics (both Ja‘fari and Zaydi),...'"

    It seems clear that such a statement could not have been made without the support of Sunnis and Shi'ites.

    Do you recognize any Shi'ites brothers or scholars as mu'min? Do most Sunnis? It may be true that most Sunnis and Shi'ites simply consider each other Muslims. This is a start. Because one cannot violate the blood, property, and dignity of another Muslim. But you are right, there are also extremist Shi'ites. And I also write and speak to them about respecting Sunni Islam.

    wa salam,
    Abu Abdallah
    The `Amman Statement (which was especially supported by Habib `Ali Jifri) is saying that every single person who believes in the Ash`ari, Maturidi, Ibadi, Zaydi, or Ithna `Ashari (excepting those obviously who believe kufr from the Ithna `Asharis) is a MUSLIM and using the exact arabic words "la yajooz takfirahu" it is not permissable to call him a kaffir.

    This statement was for the unity of the Muslim ummah and stopping takfir. I agree with this statement yet I would like to say that this statement doe not mean that there are only two main groups in Islam:

    Ahlul Sunnah
    Ahlul Bid`ah

    And that Ahlul Bid`ah is still incorrect. It is not saying they are right - just that they have not left Islam.

    Wassalam.


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    Salam Alaykum

    I may have been misunderstood by some brothers. What I mentioned about "only Mumins going to Jannah, while the non-Mumin Muslims will go to Hell" is the Shia belief in this respect, not my own.

    This is part of the Shias playing with words in order to fool Sunnis into believing that everything is OK and that we are "their Muslim brothers" in the same way we would consider Muslims as our brothers. Of course, such a thing has been declared by Shia scholars of all times (that we Sunnis are Muslims but not Mumins and that we are destined to Hellfire), but it seems as if the Sunni community in general has not woken up to how the Shias define a Muslim and a Mumin.


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    Salam Alaykum

    The Amman statement made this remark:

    All are in agreement about the five pillars of Islam: the two testaments of faith (shahadatayn), the ritual prayer (salat), almsgiving (zakat), fasting the month of Ramadan (sawm), and the Hajj to the Sacred House of Allah. All are also in agreement about the foundations of belief: belief in Allah, His Angels, His Scriptures, His Messengers, and in the Day of Judgement, in Divine providence — good and evil. Disagremment between the ‘ualma’ is only with respect to the ancillary branches of religion (furu) and not the principles and fundamentals (Usul).

    This is not true, unfortunately. As far as the Imami Shias are concerned, there is a essential necessity in believing in the dogma of Imamah in order for you to be saved. For the Shia, anyone who does not believe in Imaamah is in the same position as the one who does not believe in the Day of Judgement, for example. Also, Imamah is one of the Five Usul-e-Din, which for the Shia are:

    1. Tawhid 2. Nubuwwah 3. Qiyamah 4. Adl 5. Imaamah

    Even though the Grand Ayatullah Sistani supposedly supported such a move in the Amman statement, anyone may visit his site or the sites of other Grand Marjas, and they have not changed anything in their stance that Imamah is a Usol of the Din in Shiaism. Of course, if they were to drop the position that Imaamah should be an Usul-e-Din, this would be tremendously great from unity, but this would mean a total overhaul of the Shia faith, something I see as very unlikely to happen.

    (There is also some big differences between the Sunnis and Shias in terms of Qadha and Qadr, with Shias believing that Allah cannot wish evil at all. But that is secondary in terms of importance).


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    Quote Originally Posted by jello
    Salam Alaykum

    I may have been misunderstood by some brothers. What I mentioned about "only Mumins going to Jannah, while the non-Mumin Muslims will go to Hell" is the Shia belief in this respect, not my own.

    This is part of the Shias playing with words in order to fool Sunnis into believing that everything is OK and that we are "their Muslim brothers" in the same way we would consider Muslims as our brothers. Of course, such a thing has been declared by Shia scholars of all times (that we Sunnis are Muslims but not Mumins and that we are destined to Hellfire), but it seems as if the Sunni community in general has not woken up to how the Shias define a Muslim and a Mumin.
    oh woops.

    yeah that is the shi`a belief i have seen pretty much.

    wassalam.


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