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    I always thought Muslims were allowed to choose their path e.g. faith without fear. I didnt know if a Muslim converted he/she was to face the death penalty.

    I read on the BBC that Abdul Rahman is to be killed in Afghanistan for rejecting Islam.

    The US and three Nato allies have expressed concern over reports that a Muslim convert to Christianity could face the death penalty in Afghanistan.

    Abdul Rahman is charged with rejecting Islam and could be executed under Sharia law unless he reconverts.

    The US made a subdued appeal for him to be allowed to practise his faith - but stressed it did not want to interfere.

    Germany, Italy and Canada, which all have troops in Afghanistan, also voiced concern over Mr Rahman's plight.

    Mr Rahman, 41, converted 16 years ago as an aid worker helping refugees in Pakistan. His estranged family denounced him in a custody dispute over his two children.

    His is thought to be Afghanistan's first such trial, reflecting tensions between conservative clerics and reformists.

    Conservatives still dominate the Afghan judiciary, four years after the Taleban were overthrown, and Afghanistan's post-Taleban constitution is based on Sharia law.

    'Hollow praise'

    Speaking alongside Afghan Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah at a press conference in Washington, US Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns urged Afghanistan to respect Mr Rahman's religious rights.

    However, he did not ask for his immediate release and said he respected Afghan sovereignty.

    "Our government is a great supporter of freedom of religion," Mr Burns said.

    "As the Afghan constitution affords freedom of religion to all Afghan citizens, we hope very much that those rights, the right of freedom of religion, will be upheld in an Afghan court."

    Mr Abdullah in turn said he hoped "through our constitutional process there will be a satisfactory result".

    He said the Afghan embassy in Washington had received hundreds of messages of concern about the case from US citizens.

    The BBC's Jonathan Beale in Washington says the case has the potential to embarrass the US, which has invested huge efforts and resources in trying to help Afghanistan embrace democracy and freedom.

    US President George Bush only recently visited Kabul, praising the country's emergence from years of oppression under the Taleban.

    That message will ring hollow if individuals still face the threat of persecution for their beliefs, our correspondent says.


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    Shaykh Bouti said in Fiqh al-Sira that once you accept the revelation you can accept everything else of laws and rulings which come from it. You accept the rulings in full as the word of Allah. If you cannot accept the revelation then this will seem strange.

    So Allah gave his revelations proofs out of the wisdom of the life of his Messenger to prove that he was a true messenger. He gave Islam more proof through the usage of sanad (historical chains) which is unparalleled in any other school of studying history. Muslim history has true chains back to the real events and the rankage of historical events while non-Muslims simply weave up various narrations. Anyone who thinks non-Muslim accounts of history are more accurate than Muslim accounts is an ignoramous. With the proof of Isnad it is established authentically that many miracles occured in the life of our Prophet such as the splitting of the moon, water coming from his fingers, Isra wal Mi`raj, giving many Sahaba youth for their entire lives, prophecies regarding what was to happen soon, the victory at Badr, etc.

    Allah also created a divine wisdom in every moment of the Prophet 's wife to refute all those who try to refute this message. The Prophet was al-Sadiq al-Amin, the most trustworthy person! His message persevered even with such persecution and the death of Abu Talib and Khadija. He won battles even with his small number. His courageousness was evident in Hunayn when he went up against the enemy without any support unscathed by fear. As even the non-Muslim historians say to say that Sayyidina Muhammad was an imposter is to raise more problems than it solves.

    And thus when we affirm the reality and truth of Prophecy and Divine Revelation we see that:

    Good and bad is not based upon logic but based upon the Divine Revelation. "Freedoms" and "rights" invented hundreds of years ago do not matter whatsoever.

    Islam is the true Din and thus those who turn from it are leaving the true Din of Allah. There can only be one truth - as Imam Malik said two contradicting statements cannot both be true. Islam is the truth and thus rejecting it after accepting it is rejecting the truth after accepting it - the ultimate crime punished with infinite hellfire in the hereafter.

    Isn't it a bigger deal that one will be given eternity in punishment in hellfire for rejecting the Divine Revelation then simply being killed in this world for rejecting it? Eternal punishment is much worse than death.


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    Yes it is. But unfortunately not everyone in the world will believe something even in front of them, so the concept of someone rejecting even Islam shouldn't come as a surprise. But to sentence them to death? Is it Allah's will for those to be killed as soon as they reject Islam in this world? If so, it makes you wonder how many exactly ex-Muslims are in the world too afraid to say anything or they'll be put to death.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Curious Observer
    Yes it is. But unfortunately not everyone in the world will believe something even in front of them, so the concept of someone rejecting even Islam shouldn't come as a surprise. But to sentence them to death? Is it Allah's will for those to be killed as soon as they reject Islam in this world? If so, it makes you wonder how many exactly ex-Muslims are in the world too afraid to say anything or they'll be put to death.
    One must accept what the Divine Revelation says and not change it through one's own whims and fancies. This is how the deviant sects popped up.

    We accept everything.

    The Shari`ah says that one who:

    [1] Publically,
    [2] Rejects Islam,
    [3] With witnesses
    [4] Is given due trial

    And some (but it is disagreed upon) add

    [5] And do not say they are regretful of what they did

    Then they are to be executed in an Islamic state.

    To avoid death these people can leave the Islamic state and live in the lands of kufr but they are not permitted to live in the Islamic state without being executed.


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    so why don't they just throw him out and show the true mercy of islam. I wouldn't suggest executing him only because it will show that "hey muslims have laws of mercy". Which we do. Maybe we should set an example with this guy. If he chooses to be with the shaitan then let him. He's the loser but by killing him it won't benefit the ummah any..Then again by keeping him alive he might harm it. Allahu Alim. THis is really ridiculous that someone of faith has left it without reason. Astaghfurallah. May Allah guide him and put him back on the path of islam.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar HH
    One must accept what the Divine Revelation says and not change it through one's own whims and fancies. This is how the deviant sects popped up.

    We accept everything.

    The Shari`ah says that one who:

    [1] Publically,
    [2] Rejects Islam,
    [3] With witnesses
    [4] Is given due trial

    And some (but it is disagreed upon) add

    [5] And do not say they are regretful of what they did

    Then they are to be executed in an Islamic state.

    To avoid death these people can leave the Islamic state and live in the lands of kufr but they are not permitted to live in the Islamic state without being executed.
    So...a Muslim, living in a Muslim country, cannot convert to any faith or they will be killed. If they dont want to be killed, then they'll have to stick with Islam or be super secretive with their conversion.

    Interesting...


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    Quote Originally Posted by jaylen
    so why don't they just throw him out and show the true mercy of islam. I wouldn't suggest executing him only because it will show that "hey muslims have laws of mercy". Which we do. Maybe we should set an example with this guy. If he chooses to be with the shaitan then let him. He's the loser but by killing him it won't benefit the ummah any..Then again by keeping him alive he might harm it. Allahu Alim. THis is really ridiculous that someone of faith has left it without reason. Astaghfurallah. May Allah guide him and put him back on the path of islam.
    I've struggled to find any form of mercy when it comes to Shariah law. You can't change it or "break the corners" to suit our own perception of morality or "mercy" over the word of Allah otherwise you'll pay on the day of judgement.

    I have a question. What if someone decides to convert to another faith, then after time realises their mistake and want to revert back to Islam? The death aspect pretty much rules that out, yet oddly it's not unheard of it is? Reverts? Or reconverts, whatever the term is lol.


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    No, the non-Muslim can just leave the Muslim country.

    Simple.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar HH
    No, the non-Muslim can just leave the Muslim country.

    Simple.
    And what if he/she can't afford to leave to a Non-Muslim country? So it then turns out that you need the finances or you die.


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    Do you know more than the Shari`ah?

    If Allah said for everyone to chop their fingers off and it was Wajib then it would be a good deed and it would be good.

    Our minds can never tell if something is good or bad, only revelation my friend.

    If the Shari`ah said that you had to die for killing an ant it would be totally obligatory for that punishment to be set out. Whatever Allah says goes and everything else doesn't matter.


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