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    salam alaykum wrb.
    this is an article i found online.. can any1 refute this??? jazakallah khair

    Muslims Have A Habit Of Talking About The Quran Like It Is So Unique Or Original And It Comes From Judaic And Christian Teachings And Books . The Very Qur'an Puts Forth A 1400 Year Old Challenge To Produce A Book Or A Chapter Or A Verse Like It ; Claiming That It Is Impossible For Anyone With The Help Of All The Pages And All The Ink In The Word . To Produce One Verse .

    Chapter Or The Whole Book . Like It . And This Request Was Made In Several Places In Qur'an 52;34 ; 17;88 , 11;13 And 2;23 . Well Guess What ? It Took Many Years For Anyone To Take The Challenge Seriously . But When They Did . The Challenge Was Met In The Year 1987 A.D. In A Book Entitled '' The Life Of The Messiah In A Classical Arabic Tongue '' By Abdo . You Can Acquire This Book From '' The Zwemer Institute , P.O.Box 385 , Altadena , Califfornia U.S.A.


    The Qur'an Eloquence Was Met By A Great Poet From Lebanon By A Man Named Kahlil Gibran In A Book He Wrote Entitled '' The Prophet '' And The Muslims Would Thought It Could Not Be Done . Christian Mocked The Very Style Of The Quran Phrases And The Tasmiyya This Goes To Show That It Can Be Done And That AnyBody Can Produce The Like Thereof . '' The Book Is Divided Into 30 Chapter And Is Comprised Of Verse Compiled From The Gospels Of Four Disciples , Matthew , Mark . Luke . And John .

    According To The Author . The Book Was Written To Show Muslims That The Challenge They Have Been Making For 1400 Year . Has Finally Been Met . In This Book '' The Like Of The Messiah In A Classical Arabic Tongue '' . Verses From The Qur'an Were Also Taken And Reworded Using The Language Of The Qur'an . So That The Book Sounds As If It Is Written Like The Qur'an . Make Note That If The Challenge Has Anything To Do With A Book Being Able To Match The Symbolism In The Quran .

    Then It Means Nothing Because There Is A Book More Symbolic Which Is The Book Of Revelation Called The Injil In Qur'an 3;3, 5;49.5;71, Full Of Prophetic Events That Came And Are Coming True Right Now . The Qur'an's Eloquence Was Met By A Great Poet From Lebanon By A Man Named '' Kahlil Gibran In A Book He Wrote Entitled '' The Prophet '' . And The Muslim World Thought It Could Not Be Done .
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    this is just a bunch of stupidity bro, did khalil gibran even claim to have reached the eloquence of the Quran?

    Best thing to do with stuff like this is to take it one claim at a time instead of pasting the whole buncha ****.


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    well apparently ppl think he accomplished just that...


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    People who dont have a clue about Arabic can make claims like that even if they are Arabs. Just look at the Arab Christian Anas Arosh who claimed that the Quran had grammar mistakes. His proof? He said that we (meaning regular street arabs in Palestine) never speak like that.

    All one has to do is establish that the Arabs in the time of the Prophet sallallahu alaihi was sallam were the most eloquent of Arabs and that there is no comparison say, between the likes of Antara, Umrul-Qais, Labib (who bacame Muslim) and others of the Jahili poets to someone like Khalil Gibran. I mean, just let them compare the poetry of Khalil Gibran to the Arab Christian called al-Akhtal and they will see who is who.

    So if the eloquent poets of the Mushrikun of Makkah could not imitate the Quran or come with the likes of it, and they were the most capable people to do that if it could be done, then what about today and all their pathetic attemps to do it? Do they honestly think that they are more eloquent the Umayah ibn Abis Salt? Or do they think that the Mushrikun never thought to take of the Quranic challenge?


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    Kahlil Gibran


    Amongst the fashions that pass by at supersonic speeds is a book called The Prophet by Lebanese author Kahlil Gibran. It is difficult to miss that book if you have any level on interaction with western society.
    BBC returns to the book and the author here.
    A Lebanese Christian Gibran was an opponent of Ottoman Empire, felt for women's rights, against the Church establishment and a person who struggled to get respect in western elite society in spite of his humble background.

    The book, to an unwary person, comes as a puzzle.
    Written in poetic prose, apparently of high caliber in original Arabic, it summarizes the wisdom of Al Mustapha who is returning home after twelve years of exile on an island for people question him on love, family, work and death. And he obliges.

    The setting is too obvious an imitation of Islam. Yours truly asked one of his seniors about the book.

    Oh Miyan tell us about the book The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran.
    And thus spake Miyan.
    In the first half of twentieth century there was a fever in Arab society.
    The fever to use write poetry style prose with eloquence and grandeur.
    Kahlil Gibran is manifestation of that fever.

    This brought the scales a bit down.
    Eloquence and grandeur are pleasant in their own way but pretensions to wisdom is bit over the top.
    And then there was that trashing of Dr Johnsons's eloquence and grandeur as stilted English.
    Edward Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire was written in that style.

    This too does not square up with the situation. And indeed, as per above BBC report, Gibran is not an unequivocal success phenomena in the west. He is too simplistic for them.

    Things do square up in the end. It turns out that for some people Gibran was Christianity's answer to the challenge of the Noble Qur'an to produce a Verse like that of God. Gibran wrote in Arabic. He wrote in a style that is neither prose nor poetry. And he wrote on matters moral and spiritual. What else would you demand to meet the challenge?

    Let us get the headline out of the way. The Noble Qur'an is God's word and Gibran, if you notice the setting of narration of his book, reproduced words of wisdom from a man. There is a counter part in Islam for that These are the Traditions (Hadith). The challenge is to produce a Verse like of the Noble Qur'an and not a Prophetic Tradition.

    And once you get the headline out of the way there is precious little left to engage your fancy - except to add that it is indeed infradig for the west that Islamic challenge is met by an Arab.


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    Is it necessary we refute each and everything?
    Dunya ki mehfilon se ukta gaya hun ya RABB,
    Kiya lutf e anjuman ka jab dil hi bujh gaya ho.!


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    Quote Originally Posted by sabm90 View Post
    Is it necessary we refute each and everything?
    Yes, till the whole Deen belongs to Allah (SWT) only.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sabm90 View Post
    Is it necessary we refute each and everything?
    yeap : D
    unless scholars have refuted it extensively. in that case we just copy paste : )
    Recite Durood every time you read this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maripat View Post
    reproduced words of wisdom from a man.
    aoa,
    whose words did he reproduce?does he say al-mustapha was a real person?
    Recite Durood every time you read this.

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    A good response to this would be Hamzah Tzortis' responses on this topic. The arabic language has slightly more than just conjugation and sentence structuring.



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