Prophets (peace be upon them) sinless?

**hope_n_fear** · 01-04-2006, 01:51 AM

My question is mainly on the incident of Musa 'alaihis salaam, where he punches someone who dies.

Is that a considered a sin? Are all Prophets (peace be upon them) sinless?

**navman35** · 01-04-2006, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by hope_n_fear

My question is mainly on the incident of Musa 'alaihis salaam, where he punches someone who dies.

Is that a considered a sin? Are all Prophets (peace be upon them) sinless?

the belief of ahle sunnah wal jammt is that all prophets r ma soom (dnt make mistakes) and they dnt sinn.they r totely pure from sinns.
i havnt heard about musa (a.s)punching some one.cld u pls giv refrences for it.punching some one is not nessaserly to be a sinn.

**jaylen** · 01-04-2006, 07:11 PM

Pr. Musa AS was extremely strong to teh point where he didn't know his own strength. In his story you hear how he killed the egyptian with one push and smacked the eye out of Sayiddna Izrail. Both were unintentional..he didn't know his own strength. It got to the point where S. Izrail said to Allah SWT that if Pr. Musa was not a prophet then S. Izrail would have made his death extremely painful due to his reaction towards him when he came to ask him if he wanted to die. It kind of made me laugh because it shows you how strong Pr. Musa AS was. We need to remember that the Prophets were still human, they made mistakes but they were mistakes to show us how to correct them. If the mistake is intentional then it's different but the Prophets PBUT never made intentional mistakes. that's teh point we need to learn. They are clean of sin because they are examples to follow. Hitting in itself is a sin because when we think of hitting we think of harming or oppressing another but the prophets didn't hit anyone the way we define hitting.

**sudoku** · 01-04-2006, 07:13 PM

The Prophets Alayhimus Salaam do not sin, but they can make mistakes which are actually there to teach a lesson.

the story brother hope n fear mentions is correct

Originally Posted by Surah Al Qasas

28:15 And [one day] he entered the city at a time when [most of] its people were [resting in their houses,] unaware of what was going on [in the streets]; [13] and there he encountered two men fighting with one another - one of his own people, [14] and the other of his enemies. And the one who belonged to his own people cried out to him for help against him who was of his enemies - whereupon Moses struck him down with his fist, and [thus] brought about his end. [But then] he said [to himself]: “This is of Satan’s doing! Verily, he is an open foe, leading [man] astray!”

28:16 [And] he prayed: O my Sustainer! Verily, I have sinned against myself! Grant me, then, Thy forgiveness!” And He forgave him - for, verily, He alone is truly forgiving, a dispenser of grace.

28:17 Said he: “O my Sustainer! [I vow] by all the blessings which Thou hast bestowed on me: Never*more shall I aid such as are lost in sin!

28:18 And next morning he found himself in the city, looking fearfully about him, when lo! the one who had sought his help the day before [once again] cried out to him [for help [17] whereupon] Moses said unto him: “Behold, thou art indeed, most clearly, deeply in the wrong!

28:19 But then as soon as he was about to lay violent hands on the man who was their [common] enemy, the latter exclaimed: “O Moses, dost thou intend to slay me as thou didst slay another man yesterday? Thy sole aim is to become a tyrant in this land, for thou dost not care to be of those who would set things to rights!”

28:20 And [then and there] a man came running from the farthermost end of the city, and said: “O Moses! Behold, the great ones [of the kingdom] are deli*berating upon thy case with a view to killing thee! Begone, then: verily, I am of those who wish thee well!”

**hope_n_fear** · 01-04-2006, 09:36 PM

JazakAllah Khair to sister Jaylan and Sister Um-Eesaa.
But I am still unsure how it's not a sin.

He (peace be upon him)hit, the person died. If we do the same in our anger, and someone dies, then it won't be counted as sin either?

Also, on the day of judgment, when people would ask the Prophets (peace be upon them) to ask Allah swt to begin the accountability, Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) would say something along the lines of ...that he can't because he had killed someone.

More inputs/clarification appreciated.

**jaylen** · 01-04-2006, 09:46 PM

the prophets will all say "nafsi, nafsi" which means they have done something that would be considered for "themselves". Pr. Musa killed that man because he thought he was protecting the member of Bani' Israel when in reality this man was a trouble maker. Also the egyptians were at this time enemies of Allah SWT. Ok, prophets don't sin period the end of the subject. Their trials were to set examples for the coming ingnorance of the people to come. Also, you really have to look at the life of Pr. Musa AS, I mean he had an ummah that was arrogant, direspectful to him and to Allah SWT. I mean they were asked to make sujjud ad instead they put their cheeks to the ground with their eyes up to the sky. I mean come on...that takes a STRONG Prophet to handle such people. Also, remember when the rock took his clothes and ran away with it. when he caught up to it, he bashed it and put dents in it. It's the strength he had that made him kill the man not that he had the intention of it. There's a big difference. Pr. Musa AS is not the only Prophet to say "nafsi, nafsi". It's because there is a hikmah in this..who else will give us shif'ai...that was Pr. Muhammad PBUH last duaa for his ummah therefore how could it be that any other Prophet could do this as well. Get it..also if Pr. Isa AS and Musa AS gave shi'fai then where is the justice for the kuffar..get it..very complex due to the complexity of judgment day. DOn't try to figure it out. it will cause fitna besides remember who we're talking about. These are blessed and pure Prophets who WILL NOT get judgment. They are already in the jannah. Therefore they are FREE of ALL sin.

welcome

**hope_n_fear** · 02-04-2006, 08:19 AM

I am in need of some evidences. JazakAllah khair.

**jaylen** · 02-04-2006, 09:39 PM

Prophets of God, according to the Muslim faith, are people selected by God Himself to deliver His message to mankind. The Muslim belief that Prophets are sinless primarily relates to the fact that the Prophets of God delivered His message in its purest form. They did not add anything to it, on their own, and neither did they hold anything back from it. The Qur'an says that because Muhammad (pbuh) is a true Prophet of God, therefore, if this true Prophet falsely ascribes something to God, he shall then be punished like no other individual. The Qur'an says:

Had he invented lies concerning Us, We would have seized him by the right hand and severed his heart's vein; and no one from amongst you could have protected him (from Us). (Al-Haaqqah 69: 44 - 47)

The Qur'an also tells us that to supervise the unadulterated deliverance of the message, the prophets are closely observed by God. It says:

As for the messengers whom He has chosen, He guards them from the front and from behind to make sure that they have delivered the messages of their Lord. (Al-Jinn 72: 27 - 28)

Besides this, Muslims also believe that because God Himself, on the basis of His all encompassing knowledge, selected these prophets for delivering His message and to become a model for their followers, therefore these prophets must have been the best of mankind living in their particular times and societies. But this does not mean that the prophets do not commit any mistakes. Mistake, as we know is not synonymous with sin. These prophets may commit mistakes, which are corrected by God, but these mistakes are not sins. Even these mistakes are in the way of righteousness.

enough said on the matter..these are prophets may peace be upon them all. I hope this clears up your questions/concerns.