["lost juz" attributed to Musannaf Abdur Razzaq by 'Isa Humayri and Sa'id Mamduh]

[tazkiyyah]

AHLUS SUNNAH REJOICE

http://www.sunnah.org/sources/musannaf/musannaf_f.htm

[Sunni_Student786]

When was the Musannaf found?

And are there any hadith in its formerly "lost" sections that are found nowhere else other than in that particular Musannaf?

[tazkiyyah]

The hadeeth of Noor

That Muhammad(saw) was the first created light

[tazkiyyah]

The hadeeth of sayyidina Jaabir

[Sunni_Student786]

The hadeeth of Noor

That Muhammad(saw) was the first created light

So this hadith was not known to the scholars who came after the time the Musannaf was lost? Or was it known to them, and recorded elsewhere, but was "lost" in the sense that the earliest written record of the hadith, known by name by the Ulema, was lost?

And if this hadith was "lost", then how many others are "lost"? How can we reconcile that this hadith was lost, if it really was "lost" in a near absolute sense, and the fact that our deen is supposed to be perfectly transmitted? Or is there nothing to be reconciled since the belief that the Rasul (peace be upon him) was the first created light is not something that is a fundamental of the deen and that, if not believed, would not take one out of the fold of Islam nor into the ranks of the sinners?

The hadeeth of sayyidina Jaabir

What is the hadeeth of Sayyidina Jaabir?

[Muawiyah]

and on the other hand we have http://209.190.30.50/~ahlalhd1/vb/pr...ad.php?t=71477 "Warning against the fabricated fragment from the Musannaf `Abd ar Razzaq which the Sufis of the Emirates are propogating"

[Yusuf]

It's pretty hard to believe that Shaykh al-Muhaddith Habibur Rahman al-Azami didn't come across this original manuscript of the first juz from the musannaf, and, it's in india!

[Yusuf]

What is the hadeeth of Sayyidina Jaabir?

It is related from Sayyiduna Jabir that he said: "I asked the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam about the first thing that Allah ta'ala created, so he(the Prophet) said: [it is] the light of your Prophet oh Jabir. "

[tazkiyyah]

Did shaykh mamduh endorse this hadeeth too?

[Yusuf]

Did shaykh mamduh endorse this hadeeth too?

We dont even know if it's a hadith. Imam suyuti after mentioning it in his Hawi said: la asl lahu. Shaykh Mamduh endorses it but it's interesting to note that his teacher - Shaykh al-Muhaddith Abdullah bin al-Ghumari, who he reveres and respects so much has a treatise on it, showing that it's attribution to Imam Abdur razzaq is false. Ahmad al ghumari has also said it has no basis. Even his contemporaries, Hassan ali al saqqaf and Abdullah al Habashi have said its batil.