After the Prophet (sal), his family (ra), and companions (ra)...
Junayd al-Baghdadi (ra)
Mansur al-Hallaj (ra)
Ahmad Ghazali (ra)
Shihab al-din Suhrawardi (ra)
'Abd al-Qadir Jilani (ra)
Abu'l-Hasan Shadhili (ra)
Jalal al-din Rumi (ra)
Muhyi al-din ibn al-'Arabi (ra)
Mulla Sadra (ra)
Ahmad Tijani (ra)
Ahmad Bamba (ra)
Ahmad Alawi (ra)
If I had to narrow it down to one, I think it would be 'Abd al-Qadir Jilani (ra).
wa salam,
Abu Abdallah
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What confuses me about you guys (the Perrenialists) is how can you say that and Shaykh `Abdal Qadir Jaylani (radi Allahu `Anhu) was staunchy anti-Shi`a. And then you support the Shi`a who is staunchly anti-Sunni. Why don't you just pick one and chill with it lol.If I had to narrow it down to one, I think it would be 'Abd al-Qadir Jilani (ra).
AssalaamuAlaikum who is this Shia who is anti- Sunni.WassalaamOriginally Posted by Omar HH
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"What confuses me about you guys (the Perrenialists) is how can you say that and Shaykh `Abdal Qadir Jaylani (radi Allahu `Anhu) was staunchy anti-Shi`a. And then you support the Shi`a who is staunchly anti-Sunni. Why don't you just pick one and chill with it lol."
First of all, according to the perennial philosophy, sanctity or sainthood does not depend on someone's acceptance of other religions, or even other streams in Islam. All that matters is that one follows the Divine Law (shariah) and the Path (tariqah) to the Truth (haqiqah). This can be done by a Sunni who rejects all Shi'ites, or a Shi'ite who rejects all Sunnis (although we try to promote understanding among people of all religions, Sunnis and Shi'ites included).
Many perennialist Muslims wuch as Martin Lings (ra) basically ignored the role of 'Ali, if you have read his biography, "Muhammad," which is excellent and from a Sunni point of view. Seyyed Hossein Nasr on the other hand includes the account at Ghadir Khumm in his biography "Muhammad: Man of God," yet wrote some amazing tributes to Martin Lings (ra) when he passed.
So a perennialist Muslim can be either Sunni or Shi'ite...yet they understand in principle that man can be saved and reach sainthood through Sunnism or Shi'ism. That is why it looks as though we support both branches of Islam. There is nothing confusing to us...although these doctrines are not for everyone.
If you are really interested in the perennialist point of view regarding Sunnism and Shi'ism, read the selection "Seeds of Divergence" in Frithjof Schuon's (ra) "Islam and the Perennial Philosophy." It actually supports Sunnism, but also suggests that Shi'ism was necessary to preserve another aspect of the Prophet (sal).
wa salam,
Abu Abdallah
You see there's a big problem here.
The greatest arifeen and fuqaha of the sunnis said that
the shias were wrong...they didnt say oh its a difference of tolerable
opinion.....THey said NO..these people are wrong
So we have 14 centuries of saints of the highest ma'raifa and noor
making this statement...unanimously.
Now what you are saying is...that 14 centuries later...some men came
and said...oh we're all right
So you are in effect saying seyyed hossein nasrs knowledge and ma'rifa
is above that of 14 centuries of sunni islaam??
Its a bizarre claim and i reject it
Give me ahmad sirhind or jilani anyday over this rather new idea
Ok let me give you the Sunni aspect:
Anyone who is a Muslim is eventually saved from the fire.
Those with innovative beliefs CAN be punished by Allah for a brief period if they did not become kafir and if Allah wills.
So when did Perrenialism start?
You know I don't have a real problem with the inter-Islam stuff, it's when you tell me a Hindu is going to heaven after hearing about Islam and rejecting it - thats what I don't get...?
Tomorrow someone will come and say....
Hmmm..Ive got a new idea.............................................. .....................................
No thank you-to all these bid'ahs
I think we should denounce perennialism as a bid'a
and ban perennialists from promoting their bid'a on this
forum.
Any thoughts?
salam alaikum bro,
is it necessary for a Sunni to be a Anti-Shia ? :P
w/s
Dear Tazkiyyah,
"In this section he talks about shirazi
And he says
Though I am a sunni and he is a shia
I submit to the fact that he was indeed a muhaqqiq.
In fact in some aspects , I extol him over Shah Waliullah
He mentioned that in the hereafter materialism will overcome
the inhabitants of Hell
and spirituality will overcome those of Paradise
Indeed he spoke the truth"
What did you mean by posting this? It seems to prove that there is no consensus in the Sunni world about whether a Shia can be a muhaqqiq.
wa salam,
Abu Abdallah
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