What do we Think of Dawat-e-Islami

[Ahle-Sunnah]

salaamu alaikum

I am new to this group and have recently started practising - pray for me that I stay Practising.

I just wanted to ask a question.

I am from nottingham, i pray and attend classes in bilal Masjid which is a deobandi masjid.

There was a brother there and he was basically saying that Dawat-e-islami are wrong and that you should not go with them.

From what i know Dawat-e-islami follow the sunnah and teach others to follow the sunnah. This is why i dont understand why he was saying this.

please could brothers or sister shed some light on this.

Are dawat-e-islami right or wrong?
thanks

[Abu Usama]

Salam,

as with any group there is good and bad. What we must do is strive to take the good and leave aside the bad. Dawate-e-islami is for the most part good, alhamdulillah, so i think you should stick with them. Be careful though that you do not go to the extremes of calling other people deviant, innovators etc etc.

As with any jamaat, you should always avoid and be aware of "group mentality", where there is an "in" and "out" group. This applies to all groups, and we should be careful about this and also should hold the best opinions of our muslim brothers and sisters and make excuses for any errors we may see them making.

['Abd al-Mustafa]

assalat wa salam 'alayka Ya Rasoolullah wa ala aalika wa ashabika ajmaeen

Assalamu 'alaikum brother Ahle-Sunnah,

Da'wate Islami is the emerging power of Ahle-Sunnah all over the Sub Continent, with millions of new memebers today,

they have only one mission:

Spread of the beloved Sunnah of our beloved Habeeb (sawas), and rejection and correction of all bid'ah zalalah whereever it exists.

For deviant people do exist in the Sub Continent, no one can deny this, if anyone is denying this then he is lying and does not know what he is talking about,

these deviant people act against the beloved Sunnah of Rasoolullah (sawas) and they must be corrected and be given dawaah. It is the right of Tableegh to take the TRUE MESSAGE to the ignorant and then leave it to that, for it is for the ignorant then to accept it or not.

Upholding of the True Sunnah of Islam is the Mission of Dawate Islami and the mission of the Maulana Ilyas Qadiri

This is their main mission in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal.

I wish you the best of success my brother, in all your ambitions and desires for spiritual excellence and want of knowledge.

with a huge amount of brotherly love and fikar and a big hug,

your brother

'Abd al-Mustafa
(Afghanistan)

[Abu Usama]

Salam,

so i guess you could say that dawate-islami is to the berelvis what the tableeghi jamaat is to the deobandis.

[3Abdullah]

Assalamu Alaikum

May Allah allow me to speak the truth and guide me and us all, Aameen.

As one brother is asking about this group known as Dawat-e-Islami, I must inform him about how I have found them.

I live in Pakistan, so I have seen these people very closely. I request my brothers to please don't label me with any group name coz I don't stick to any groups called deobandis, salafis, or barelvis, whatever, but I pray salaat in the way Hanafis do, and I don't know much about Fiqh, and I have to decide after studying Islam properly, as to which Fiqh I should follow.

1. Dawat-e-Islami people call deobandis and wahabis, Kafir. Do you believe it?
This is what I have heard a lot from people and seen on this forum run by Barelvis: yanabi(dot)com/forum/

Do visit this website and its discussion forum, insha Allah you will find so much love from them towards non-barelvis.

2. Another observation is that they are in love with LOUD SPEAKERS, they collect people from the neighbourhood in the mosques and all the night long with Full Volume, they recite Naats (poetry in praise of Prophet s.a.w), in the name of MEELAD SHAREEF, or any Festivals, and their Speakers all the night hammer on your head and don't allow you to have a sleep. (I challenge anyone who will deny that.)

3. They are in love with going against the Quran, Sunnah and Ijma' (consensus) of Ummah, so lots of Innovations (Bidaat) you can observe in them.

4. They are too much inspired with Shias, most of their beliefs are in conformity with shi'ism. (e.g. Wilayat of Ali radhiyAllahu 'anhu, Sufisim, Praying to dead, grave worshipping coated with grave honouring).

5. And yes, before a couple of years they were encroaching different mosques out of deobandis (please don't think I am a deobandi, I am an OBSERVER).

6. In short the religion of this Dawat-e-Islami is wearing (only) green turbans, reciting naats and salaam, preaching Innovations, increasing noice pollution with Loud Speakers and declaring Non-Barelvis, Kafir.

I know many people won't appreciate this from me, but I am speaking the truth.

[talib al-habib]

Dear brother Abudullah.

In the spirit of Ramadan, may I offer you some sincere nasiha?

Assalamu Alaikum

May Allah allow me to speak the truth and guide me and us all, Aameen.



I live in Pakistan, so I have seen these people very closely. I request my brothers to please don't label me with any group name coz I don't stick to any groups called deobandis, salafis, or barelvis, whatever, but I pray salaat in the way Hanafis do, and I don't know much about Fiqh, and I have to decide after studying Islam properly, as to which Fiqh I should follow.


1. Dawat-e-Islami people call deobandis and wahabis, Kafir. Do you believe it?
This is what I have heard a lot from people and seen on this forum run by Barelvis: yanabi(dot)com/forum/

Do visit this website and its discussion forum, insha Allah you will find so much love from them towards non-barelvis.

2. Another observation is that they are in love with LOUD SPEAKERS, they collect people from the neighbourhood in the mosques and all the night long with Full Volume, they recite Naats (poetry in praise of Prophet s.a.w), in the name of MEELAD SHAREEF, or any Festivals, and their Speakers all the night hammer on your head and don't allow you to have a sleep. (I challenge anyone who will deny that.)

3. They are in love with going against the Quran, Sunnah and Ijma' (consensus) of Ummah, so lots of Innovations (Bidaat) you can observe in them.

4. They are too much inspired with Shias, most of their beliefs are in conformity with shi'ism. (e.g. Wilayat of Ali radhiyAllahu 'anhu, Sufisim, Praying to dead, grave worshipping coated with grave honouring).

5. And yes, before a couple of years they were encroaching different mosques out of deobandis (please don't think I am a deobandi, I am an OBSERVER).

6. In short the religion of this Dawat-e-Islami is wearing (only) green turbans, reciting naats and salaam, preaching Innovations, increasing noice pollution with Loud Speakers and declaring Non-Barelvis, Kafir.

I know many people won't appreciate this from me, but I am speaking the truth.

1. May I suggest that, before you 'decide which fiqh to follow' you pick a madhab, learn its masaail and practice them, or else your entire practice is at risk of invalidity. Then find a teacher and study. If you are still 'deciding which madhab to follow' what are you basing your practice on in the mean time? I assume not your own opinion/sahih al-bukhari translation.

2. I would not base any opinions on the points of view of the brothers at ***********, for reasons that will be immediately obvious to anyone who visits their boards.

3. To know what is 'going against the Qur'an, Sunnah and Ijma', as well as what is a bid`ah, I would think that you would have to have a fairly clear idea of what bid`ah, sunna and ijma are, exactly how they are applied and what are their limits and boundaries. In short, one would have to be an `alim of pretty high calibre. Since you 'don't know that much about fiqh,' I would assume that you are not of such calibre (unless you're just being humble).

4. If you feel that Sufism and the sainthood of Sayyidina Ali are Shi`i concepts, then I truly think that you need to go back to the drawing board and begin your learning again. Sufism is the systematization of ihsan, just as aqida is the systematization of iman and fiqh is the systematization of islam. These three are, 'the foundations of deen' according to the Holy Prophet (peace upon him) as mentioned in the hadith of Gibril. All of the sahaba are of the very highest rank of wilayat, and Sayyidina Ali stands head and shoulders above the vast majority of even them according to the consensus of this Ummah.

5. I would read their literature (such as Bahar as-Shariat, etc) and actually ask some of them about what their beliefs are before declaring that they are, 'all about green amamahs, naat and preaching innovation.'

6. As for the Tabligh Jamat, it seems rather harsh to criticise them for what they do not do in view of everything that they do do (if you know what I mean). I'm not a 'TJ' myself, but I can certainly appreciate that they have made the islah of millions of people around the world. Is this not sufficient for you?

Please go to masud.co.uk or sunnipath to have your erroneous ideas corrected. Better still, find a shaykh who will soak the opinions out of you with the light of love, spiritual realisation and guidance.

was salam

[3Abdullah]

talib: 1. May I suggest that, before you 'decide which fiqh to follow' you pick a madhab, learn its masaail and practice them, or else your entire practice is at risk of invalidity. Then find a teacher and study. If you are still 'deciding which madhab to follow' what are you basing your practice on in the mean time? I assume not your own opinion/sahih al-bukhari translation...

I will tell you the way people pick their madhab. They pray salaat in the nearest mosque, so if the mosque is run by Hanafis, or Deobandsi, or Barelvis, they put the same label on their forehead, coz their 'aqaaid and beliefs are governed by these mosques.
And practically not all people read books of fiqh, as you are suggesting to me, only a small proportion of scholars read them.
Secondly, if you pray salaat according to one fiqh, it is enough for you to know that, plus for other problems you can consult a scholar.
AND YOU WILL AGREE THAT The Basic PURPOSE SHOULD BE BECOMING THE MUSLIM AND NOT A FAQIH. And I hope you will understand that we are not discussing an issue which is concerned with Fiqh, but we are discussing about Islam.

About Daawat-e-Islami (Barelvis), I have mentioned what I have observed with my own eyes, and the Bid'ahs they commit is a general truth in my country and if seeing is believing I have seen them doing things which are against Quran and Sunnah of our Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wasallam.
Since you don't seem to believe me, I must point them out:

1. When I go to their mosques, the moment when jamaa'at (of salaat) is called by Aqamat, they don't get up when 'Allahu Akbar' is called out, but they get up when they hear the word 'Muhammad' (s.a.w), kiss their fingers and touch their eyes with them.
Isn't it against Sunnah?

2. They have added 'Salaat and Salaam' to the words of adhan.
Isn't it against Sunnah?

3. They misuse Loud Speakers in the name of Islam, by reciting Naats and celebrating 'Meelaad Shareef' and hammer the peace and calm of the locality (mostly the whole night).
Is this what the Companions of Prophet s.a.w did?

4. Not only this but the worst is that they decorate their Naats with words of Shirk, and Tune their Naats with Indian Movie Songs?
Is this the love of Prophet s.a.w or the love of Music, that they can't even spare Indian Music while reciting Naats.
Are you going to find this in 'Bahar ash Shariat'?

5. And their gatherings are full of such slogans as:
Naara-e-Haideri....Ya Ali
Don't they prove that they are allergic to 'Ya Allah'?
Exactly as Shi'ahs believe that Imam Ali is their god (if you want, I can give you references from their own books).

6. And sorry to say sir, you are making claims only, without any evidence, like you have made Ali radhiyAllahu 'anhu the head of 'Auliya'. I don't know in which Quran you read this (May be the Quran of Imam Ghayeb), or which saying of Prophet s.a.w has this matter (May be that has been transmitted by some Shia narrator), and if you do have such a proof, then please post it here, so that I can open my eyes.

7. As for Sufism, this is an invention of Shias, whatever label you give to your beliefs, as Quran and Sunnah is devoid of such beliefs of Imamat or Wilayat of Imam Ali which is transferred to these auliya who play with Quran and Sunnah claiming they are Auliya.

7. And for Tableeghi Jamaat, I have talked much about them in my previous posts..

WAllahu A'lam Bissawab

[abeer_xyz]

Our knowledge is poor. The organizational structure of our Ulema is not an all unifying one, unlike that of Ithna Ashari Shias. We Sunnis are the majority with vast land and various schools. What can we expect now?

It is similar to understanding an Elephant from different perspectives and through different senses. Many many combinations are possible here.

What more can I say? Let us all do what we are doing in order to revive Islam. Let us all be sympathetic to all others. If one is not satisfied with any of them, let him produce one more movement. And I am sure that shall have flaws too.

I am optimistic that one day will come when we all shall be united again.

It is the same old story: Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis. This is how Idea evolves.

[auron]

Salam,

so i guess you could say that dawate-islami is to the berelvis what the tableeghi jamaat is to the deobandis.

im confused?

[auron]

green imamahs ,i think theres some in dewsbury call us kafir.