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    Default Reply to the claims of "Abu Alqama" in his attacks on Malik al-Dar's narration




    Please find enclosed a 70+ page - pdf file i put together in the last few days in response to one who calls himself at times by the Kunya - "Abu Alqama" at the well known forum of fitna and fasad known as - ah.ya.org.

    This individual has posted here in the past under various screen names and is probably the most anti-Hanafi writer on the internet in the english language to date. The file contains a reply to his claims of grave worship, unwarranted attacks and weakening of a narration regarding the following that our brother Faqir documented here with this wording:

    NARRATION OF MALIK AL-DAR

    Imam al-Bayhaqi relates with a sound (sahih) chain:

    It is related from Malik al-Dar, `Umar's treasurer, that the people suffered a drought during the successorship of `Umar, whereupon a man came to the grave of the Prophet and said: "O Messenger of Allah, ask for rain for your Community, for verily they have but perished," after which the Prophet appeared to him in a dream and told him: "Go to `Umar and give him my greeting, then tell him that they will be watered. Tell him: You must be clever, you must be clever!" The man went and told `Umar. The latter said: "O my Lord, I spare no effort except in what escapes my power!"

    "Ibn Kathir cites it thus from Bayhaqi in al-Bidaya wa al-nihaya and says: isnaduhu sahih;[25] Ibn Abi Shayba cites it in his Musannaf with a sound (sahih) chain as confirmed by Ibn Hajar who says: rawa Ibn Abi Shayba bi isnadin sahih and cites the hadith in Fath al-bari.[26] He identifies Malik al-Dar as `Umar's treasurer (khazin `umar) and says that the man who visited and saw the Prophet in his dream is identified as the Companion Bilal ibn al-Harith, and he counts this hadith among the reasons for Bukhari's naming of the chapter "The people's request to their leader for rain if they suffer drought." He also mentions it in al-Isaba, where he says that Ibn Abi Khaythama cited it.[27]"


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    It was elucidated in further depth here:

    http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...78&postcount=5

    and:

    http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...3&postcount=55

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    Shukran jazilan


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    Very nice, mashaAllah!
    Imam al-Zarqani said in his book Manahil al-Irfan: 'Our Scholars agreed that if a word carries 99 aspects of disbelief and one aspect of faith, it must be interpreted according to the best of meanings, which is faith'.

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    May Allah always bless you brother Abul Hasan.

    I don't think that you have an equal who writes in the English language regarding the Salafis and their mistakes.

    May Allah give you additional strength to continue to do what you do and make it a means for your entrance into the Garden.

    Wa'salaam.


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    Wa Salaam.
    MashAllah wonderful dear Sheikh. JazakAllah Khair.

    When will this minute "salafi"/wahabi sect every going to learn and admit their mistakes??

    Wa Salaam


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    I tried to open this Pdf doc and it does not work.

    So can someone correct it so people can read it ?


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    I can't activate it either. Its asking me to log in even though I am logged in.


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    Did someone saved it so he can email to me at

    [sorry. i forgot emails aren't allowed on sf]

    That would be very nice !


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    ask "abu alqama" on ahya - he has obviously read it
    Imam al-Zarqani said in his book Manahil al-Irfan: 'Our Scholars agreed that if a word carries 99 aspects of disbelief and one aspect of faith, it must be interpreted according to the best of meanings, which is faith'.

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    changed my mind on my reply.
    Last edited by Musleemah; 07-07-2006 at 06:15 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by faqir
    ask "abu alqama" on ahya - he has obviously read it
    and he seemed to have thrown his rattle out of his pram - the other salafi seem to be having a go at him as well - 'reply like a true salafi scholar' - Obviously a nerve was touched, what a fool - rofl......what happen to abu alqama reply's that were on ahya yesterday - seem to have disappeared - he did make a fool of himself, with those reply's - lol


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