I am ashamed to be a Muslim

[Daud121]

In the Name of Allah,

A while ago I was posting on the Shia-Sunni "debate" thread and I abruptly left for a trip only to return dissapointed at the adab that the Shias on this forum have displayed. To tell you the truth I am ashamed to be a Shia on this forum. I wanted to tell the Shia brothers and sisters not to debate but to inform. Too many times I see Shia brothers posting links over and over again, many of which are not opened. Then when I try my best to communicate with a Sunni brother about our beliefs I see a Salafi sister promoting hate for the Shia.

Our job is not to convince the Sunni that the Jaferi madhab is superior, but our duty is to convince the Sunni that the message of the Ahlulbait is celestial, and the event of Karbala was not merely an event where a lump of flesh by the name of Hussain and his companions were slaughtered for a useless cause. The event of Karbala is an eternal truth that trancends the domain of time. On my trip I saw a movie titled 'V for Vendetta', and there was a line that hit me like a brick, and this was when V was about to die. Before he passes away, 'V' says: "...beneath this flesh is an idea and ideas are indestructable."

I feel that Sunnis and Salafis should be more than just 'lovers' of Ahlulbait, but they should be 'Followers' of Ahlulbait. On my trip I met a Sunni Naqshbandi whose love for Fatima(as) stunned me.

To summarize this thread, I sincerely feel that the Sunni and the Shia should hold on to the Ahlulbait and should be ready to devote their life for their cause, afterall, the Prophet said "I leave with you two weighty things: the Ahlulbait, and the Quran, whoever holds on to these two things will not stray."

I pray Allah gives us tawfiq to promote the cause of Ahlulbait, and I pray that I will be able to fight alongside Mahdi (as) shoulder to shoulder with a Hanafi or a Maliki brother, inshallah.

wa'salaam

[Abu 'Abdillah al-Maliki]

In what ways, according to you, are we far from the "way of ahlul-bayt"? Could you please tell us [i.e. Ahlus-Sunnah] where we went wrong regarding our attitude towards Ahlul-Bayt?

Could you please clarify what is your conception of what constitutes "holding onto the Ahlul-Bayt" and "supporting the cause of Ahlul-Bayt" in practical terms in our current situation?

Thank you.

[Digital-Tablighi]

The title of the thread is inappropriate.
I am ashamed to be a not-fully-practising muslim yes.

But the only source of dignity and honour that exists in our world is Islam.
Our distance from being honourable, is our distance from Islam.

The absence of Virtue in the Muslim lands is due to the absence of Islam.
Our role models are not sayyidina Abu Bakr/Umar/Uthman/Ali(radiallaho Anhum) anymore,
but Tom Cruise, Terri Hatcher, Nicole Kidman,Brad Pitt,Angeline Jolie
and Alicia Silverstone.
No wonder we're clueless

[abd66]

In the Name of Allah,
A while ago I was posting on the Shia-Sunni "debate" thread and I abruptly left for a trip only to return dissapointed at the adab that the Shias on this forum have displayed. To tell you the truth I am ashamed to be a Shia on this forum. I wanted to tell the Shia brothers and sisters not to debate but to inform. Too many times I see Shia brothers posting links over and over again, many of which are not opened. Then when I try my best to communicate with a Sunni brother about our beliefs I see a Salafi sister promoting hate for the Shia.
Our job is not to convince the Sunni that the Jaferi madhab is superior, but our duty is to convince the Sunni that the message of the Ahlulbait is celestial,

salaam,

Was my Adab bad on this forum? Please show me exactly where I went wrong and inshallah I won't repeat it. May Allah reward you for correcting me.

I am trying to be as courteous as possible.

Abdullah

[abd66]

I pray Allah gives us tawfiq to promote the cause of Ahlulbait, and I pray that I will be able to fight alongside Mahdi (as) shoulder to shoulder with a Hanafi or a Maliki brother, inshallah.

wa'salaam

salaam 'alaykum,

Who are you kidding, Daud? These people killed Imam Husayn (as). What makes you think they will not try to do the same to Imam Mahdi? These people would rather prostrate before the shin of Dajjad than follow a Shi'i Mahdi. Haven't you read Dr. As'ad's book? See the last chapter on the Mahdi.
http://12.96.164.241/truthaboutshiah/ last chapter.

See:
Chapter 19: THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE DAJJAL AND A BAN ON HIS ENTRY TO MEDINA AND HIS KILLING OF A BELIEVER AND THEN RESTORING HIM TO LIFE
Book 041, Number 7017:
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) one day gave a detailed account of the Dajjal and in that it was also included: He would come but would not be allowed to ether the mountain passes to Medina. So he will alight at some of the barren tracts near Medina, and a person who would be the best of men or one from amongst the best of men would say to him: I bear testimony to the fact that you are Dajjal about whom Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had informed us. The Dajjal would say: What is your opinion if I kill this (person), then I bring him back to life; even then will you harbour doubt in this matter? They would say: No. He would then kill (the man) and then bring him back to life. When he would bring tha@ person to life, he would say: By Allah, I had no better proof of the fact (that you are a Dajjal) than at the present time (that you are actually so). The Dajjal would then make an attempt to kill him (again) but he would not be able to do that. Abu Ishaq reported that it was said: That person would be Khadir (Allah be pleased with him).

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen....html#041.7017
and compare to:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...l#009.093.532s

Dajjal will claim to be God. Muslims will not believe him. Then he will say "what proof do you want that I am God?" They will say "Bring the dead back to life."

Then Dajjal will do that and say, "The sign of the day of Judgment is that the dead will come to life. I bring the dead to life. My Prophet told you that my shin is a sign of my divinity. Here is my shin. Prostrate or go to hell."

Ask them. They will tell you that those that fought against Husayn (as) are not going to hell. Most of them, if they were alive in the time of Yazid would obey Yazid and fight Husayn too.

Volume 9, Book 89, Number 257:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet said, "If somebody sees his Muslim ruler doing something he disapproves of, he should be patient, for whoever becomes separate from the Muslim group even for a span and then dies, he will die as those who died in the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance (as rebellious sinners).
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...ml#009.089.257

They reason that those that fought against Husayn were obeying their ruler, Amir Yazid! They were afraid that if they didn't obey their ruler they would go to hell, and that is a praiseworthy act! They think they were obeying the Prophet by fighting Husayn.

So Dajjal will claim to be God. Most muslims will believe Dajjal and fight against the real Mahdi who is Shi'i.

Didn't the Prophet tell us that Dajjal will dupe most Muslims? How is that possible.

I will tell you one thing for sure; a Shi'i could never believe that Dajjal is God. The Shi'i don't believe that God takes on human form, comes and goes and uncovers shins. But the sunnis do believe that. See
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...l#009.093.532s

All Dajjal has to do is to convince them that the Day of Judgment has begun by bringing people back to life and bingo. The majority of them are convinced.




Abdullah

[godilali]

"I will tell you one thing for sure; a Shi'i could never believe that Dajjal is God. The Shi'i don't believe that God takes on human form, comes and goes and uncovers shins. But the sunnis do believe that."

excerpts from Aqidah Tahawiyyah (beliefs of Ahlus Sunnah):

We say about Allah's unity believing by Allah's help - that Allah is One, without any partners.

There is nothing like Him.

No imagination can conceive of Him and no understanding can comprehend Him.

He is different from any created being.

He is beyond having limits placed on Him, or being restricted, or having parts or limbs. Nor is He contained by the six directions as all created things are.

It can be found on the same site you posted the other quotes from http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/introduction/alaqidah.html

[godilali]

You clearly lack knowledge of hadith and distort them to suit your twisted aims, similar to Christian missionaries.

So are you ignorant, or are you a liar?

[godilali]

I apologize to Daud121 for going off-topic, but I felt it was necessary to respond.

[abd66]

You clearly lack knowledge of hadith and distort them to suit your twisted aims, similar to Christian missionaries.

So are you ignorant, or are you a liar?

salaam 'alaykum Godilali,

So how do you reconcile what you posted with what is in Bukhari?

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s:
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:

We said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun and the moon when the sky is clear?" We said, "No." He said, "SO YOU WILL HAVE NO DIFFICULTY IN SEEING YOUR LORD ON THAT DAY AS YOU HAVE NO DIFFICULTY IN SEEING THE SUN AND THE MOON (IN A CLEAR SKY)."The Prophet then said, "Somebody will then announce, 'Let every nation follow what they used to worship.' So the companions of the cross will go with their cross, and the idolators (will go) with their idols, and the companions of every god (false deities) (will go) with their god, till there remain those who used to worship Allah, both the obedient ones and the mischievous ones, and some of the people of the Scripture. Then Hell will be presented to them as if it were a mirage. Then it will be said to the Jews, "What did you use to worship?' They will reply, 'We used to worship Ezra, the son of Allah.' It will be said to them, 'You are liars, for Allah has neither a wife nor a son. What do you want (now)?' They will reply, 'We want You to provide us with water.' Then it will be said to them 'Drink,' and they will fall down in Hell (instead). Then it will be said to the Christians, 'What did you use to worship?'

They will reply, 'We used to worship Messiah, the son of Allah.' It will be said, 'You are liars, for Allah has neither a wife nor a son. What: do you want (now)?' They will say, 'We want You to provide us with water.' It will be said to them, 'Drink,' and they will fall down in Hell (instead). When there remain only those who used to worship Allah (Alone), both the obedient ones and the mischievous ones, it will be said to them, 'What keeps you here when all the people have gone?' They will say, 'We parted with them (in the world) when we were in greater need of them than we are today, we heard the call of one proclaiming, 'Let every nation follow what they used to worship,' AND NOW WE ARE WAITING FOR OUR LORD.' THEN THE ALMIGHTY WILL COME TO THEM IN A SHAPE OTHER THAN THE ONE WHICH THEY SAW THE FIRST TIME, AND HE WILL SAY, 'I AM YOUR LORD,' AND THEY WILL SAY, 'YOU ARE NOT OUR LORD.' AND NONE WILL SPEAK: TO HIM THEN BUT THE PROPHETS, AND THEN IT WILL BE SAID TO THEM, 'DO YOU KNOW ANY SIGN BY WHICH YOU CAN RECOGNIZE HIM?' THEY WILL SAY. 'THE SHIN,' AND SO ALLAH WILL THEN UNCOVER HIS SHIN WHEREUPON EVERY BELIEVER WILL PROSTRATE BEFORE HIMand there will remain those who used to prostrate before Him just for showing off and for gaining good reputation. These people will try to prostrate but their backs will be rigid like one piece of a wood (and they will not be able to prostrate).

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...l#009.093.532s

Abdullah

[godilali]

"Who are you kidding, Daud? These people killed Imam Husayn (as)."

Are YOU kidding? Sunnis unanimously say that Sayyidina al-Husain was a shaheed and upon the haq. There are also people who claim that shias betrayed him, so should I say that "Shias killed Imam Husayn" ?