Albani and his Mubtadi Imams exposed - Scanned evidence

[Abul Hasan]

Asalamu alaykum, obviously there are serious problems in some of sh. Ibn Taymiyyah's creedal works. What I would like to ask akhi Abul Hasan is that as Ibn Taymiyyah was considered by the Hanbalis to be a mujtahid within their madhab will he not be pardoned for making independent ijtihad on these issues even though his conclusions differed from that of the majority of Sunnis in general (and even the majority of Hanbalis)?

As for Ibn Taymiyya being a Mujtahid in the Hanbali Madhhab, then i don't think there is unanimity on that from with in the Hanabila. His fiqh verdicts are not the strongest within the madhhab. As for his making "Ijtihad" and hence having the possibility of being rewarded or even pardoned - then the first question that should be asked : "Is there any Ijtihad when it comes to enunciating the intricacies of Allah's Names and Attributes?"

There is no scope for Ijtihad in fundamental creedal points, but only in the issues connected to Fiqh. Ibn Taymiyya's digressions from the Hanbali Madhhab are in aqeeda (e.g. How to understand the Attributes of Allah, the question of Ta'wil, Eternality of Jahannam etc) and Fiqh (e.g. Tawassul, Ziyara, three Talaq's in one sitting etc) - and his digressions are out of step with Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal (ra) in some aqeeda and fiqhi issues also.

Some later Ulama mentioned that ibn Taymiyya apparently violated Ijma on at least 50 points, to the extent that one of the later rulers of the Muslim Umma had banned his works. Within the Hanbali school, the fiqhi verdicts of Imam ibn Qudama al-Maqdisi are far more stronger than Ibn Taymiyya's for example.

I think it would be more worthwile for those readers here who have a soft-spot for ibn Taymiyya/ibn Qayyim - to take some valuable time out to study the verdicts of the most famous Ulama in their time, as well as after - to see what the overall ruling on ibn Taymiyya should be. I can see that there are a number of admirers of Shaykh Nuh Keller here, so it should be apparent what he has to say on Ibn Taymiyya (see Masud.co.uk).

It is not from the Way of the Imams of al-Jarh wal Ta'dil to quote general Ta'dil on ibn Taymiyya, and ignore the Jarh Mufassal on him. Example, in this time al-Albani praised Sultan al-Ulama, Imam al-Izz ibn Abdas Salam, but this Imam was attacked by ibn Taymiyya since he was an Ash'ari who openly refuted a faction of the Hanabila he considered to be innovators in aqeeda (see Dr GF Haddad's translation of Imam al-Izz ibn Abdas Salam's: Mulha fi I'tiqad Ahlul Haqq). A Saudi-based Wahhabi by the name of Ubayd al-Jabiri said that may be al-Albani didn't know of the jarh against Imam al-Izz, so therefore the Ta'dil of al-Albani is negated. This same principle must therefore be applied to ibn Taymiyya - but his blind followers fail to follow up the same principle when it comes to ibn Taymiyya! Double standards due to over-whelming Ta'assub I'd say.

I have a list of over 70 major Ulama who made Jarh on ibn Taymiyya and his violations in various aspects of the deen. Those in the full know are more preferable to listen to than those who tackle this issue from a biased, partisan way in his defence. May be more will be posted on Ibn Taymiyya in the future here. And Allahu a'lam.


Wassalam

[3Abdullah]

Assalamu Alaikum

I am very new to this forum and it has depressed me that our Muslim brothers are cursing each other, and promoting the division in Islam.

I don't know who has taught us to fight for these scholars and give them as much importance as should be given to Allah and His Messenger sallAllahu alayhi wasallam.

Sorry to say I don't see Muslims anywhere in this world, but I see Hanafis, Malikis, Salafis, Deobandis, Barelvis...
And I know each school of thought is holding the hand of one scholar(s), though Allah has commanded us to hold His Book fast and not to get divided, but WE ARE DIVIDED, and we are improving this division amongs Muslims by our disrepecting and blind ideas which some School of thought has filled in our heads.

For the sake of Allah, talk about Quran, talk about the Man of Quran, and don't talk about people who have died and who are not here to defend them.

Where we should have protected the pious Companions and Family of our Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wasallam, we are protecting or condemning those who are not gods nor angels but in fact we have made gods, and this worship is dividing us more and more.

May Allah guide us all, Aameen.

Wassalam

[true_hanafi]

Assalam

SALAFIS ATTACK ON DEOBANDIS

Salafi shaykh Badee Uddin Sindhee challenged all the hanafis to bring one authenic ahadith related to placing hands below the navel, This challenge i think is still open, Shaykh Zubair Ali (Student of Badee Uddin Sinhee) still wants someone to challenge him, he wrote a book on the topic with 10 hadith referring to hands being placed on chest, He also did a refutaation on deobandis if you want to see his Refutation it is available at:

www.theclearpath.com Click on sufis Then on salafis/Deobandis differing

Also available Shaykh Badee Uddin Sindhee article on Deobandis, the salafi shyakh meant to the Kibar shaykh of salafis. He passed in 1995.

http://www.sahihalbukhari.com/sps/do.../GRV120001.pdf



Can someone refute this salafis claims, so people can become aware of these salafis

Wassalam

[AbuZayd]

Asalaamu alaykum,

That is a funny challenge because the Hanafis would contest that there is no Saheeh Hadith regarding placing hands above the navel!

See fiqh al-imam by Sh. AbdurRahman ibn Yusuf.

[true_hanafi]

Assalam

Yep, but why don't hanafi challenge him, if you want his address to challenge him i can get it for y
He will shut up all hanafis even their Muftis according to salafis.

Read his articles on Deobandis

Wassalam

[Muawiyah]

This "Shaykh" Badee Uddin Sindhee {Peer Jhando} took on Maulana Ameen Safdar Okarvi rahimahullah in debate and was defeated very very soundly. And alhamdulillah the munazarah has been preserved for prosterity.

[true_hanafi]

Assalam

Where is the evdience for this??

Was it Shaykh Badee'uddin Rashidi Sindhee

[AbuZayd]

Assalam

Yep, but why don't hanafi challenge him, if you want his address to challenge him i can get it for y
He will shut up all hanafis even their Muftis according to salafis.

Read his articles on Deobandis

Wassalam

Will he shut up the "true hanafi" as well? If he will then I'll take his address.

[Muawiyah]

Yes it was this same "shaykh ul islaami wal muslimeen" of the ghayr muqallideen Badee'uddin Rashidi Sindhi, {BTW ar-Rashidi refers to the Rashidi-Qaadiri sufi order of sindh where, in most cases the sons succeed the father}. The munazirah occurred sometime in the late eighties near Badi' ud-deen's hometown Pir-Jhando, near New Sa'eedabad Sindh. This was, to my knowledge, the last debate Badi ud Deen ever did. The debate is available on four cassettes. Two years after this Maulana Okarvi rahimahullah defeated Badi' ud Deen's elder brother Pir Muhibullah Rashidi and Allah Bux {a member of the "Jam'at ul-Muslimeen" sect} in Larkana.

[true_hanafi]

assalam

was the debate with shaykh badee Sindhee or his brother, and where can i get the cassettes