Albani and his Mubtadi Imams exposed - Scanned evidence

[zaidf]

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah

Yeah inshaAllah that book will be quite imporant, Shaykh Hussain was pretty excited about it when he told me about him working on it. May Allah make it easy for him to complete it.
I asked him that question when I met him on why he does not post anymore and he replied that it is quite time consuming and discussions just keep on going back and forth. The Shaykh is quite busy now and hence does not have time.

He recently had surgery on his knee few months back, So please do remember him in your duas.

[Sunni Muslim]

If i remember correctly Mufti Husain mentioned a few years back that something was in the pipeline? i guess maybe the 'Ulama are tied up with alot of work and more important stuff. But keep us updated when the work is finished, Insha-Allah it will be a masterpiece when it is finished.

Mashallah! I spoke to Shaykhina Abul Hasan saheb, hafizahullah,today on how the book on where the hands should be placed and he told me that he has a long way to go yet.. But, he has nearly completed the tahqiq of the narration found in some copies in the Musannaf Ibn Abi Shayba from Wa'il (ra) with the ziyada - under the navel - in some 50 pages alone... This indicates that this work will be several hundred pages long and he said that it will contain insha'allah, digital images of evidences from the original manuscripts that have taken several years of hard work to gather.

May Allah make it easy..

[maneatinglizard]

Mashallah! I spoke to Shaykhina Abul Hasan saheb, hafizahullah,today on how the book on where the hands should be placed and he told me that he has a long way to go yet.. But, he has nearly completed the tahqiq of the narration found in some copies in the Musannaf Ibn Abi Shayba from Wa'il (ra) with the ziyada - under the navel - in some 50 pages alone... This indicates that this work will be several hundred pages long and he said that it will contain insha'allah, digital images of evidences from the original manuscripts that have taken several years of hard work to gather.

May Allah make it easy..

looks to be an amazing work .

May Allah reward Shaykh Abul Hasan for his efforts and allow him to complete them. Ameen

[Quandary]

No wonder we're in such a mud-patch. Shaikh al-Albani fanatics spouting off about the hands MUST BE PLACED ON THE CHEST and others shooting back full force with fifty pages of tahqiq on hands BEING PLACED ON THE CHEST AND THE WEAKNESS THEREOF...

I can't imagine that this will be a good part of the Shaikh's legacy, these absurd, ceaseless arguments over legal minutiae.

Ibn Hazm said something very sensible about this sort of scholarship once; I found the quote on Kalamullah.

"Do not be deceived by these Fusaaq (corrupt people), who claim to be scholars while they are wearing the skins of sheep on hearts of wolves." He said "What are they doing? They are doing nothing for the Ummah. The Ummah is falling down, the Ummah is being fought against, and the land of al-Andalus is being invaded and they are talking about some other issues."

And the Spanish nude beaches on the coasts prove that he was right today!

Makes you wonder.

[maneatinglizard]

No wonder we're in such a mud-patch. Shaikh al-Albani fanatics spouting off about the hands MUST BE PLACED ON THE CHEST and others shooting back full force with fifty pages of tahqiq on hands BEING PLACED ON THE CHEST AND THE WEAKNESS THEREOF...

I can't imagine that this will be a good part of the Shaikh's legacy, these absurd, ceaseless arguments over legal minutiae.

Ibn Hazm said something very sensible about this sort of scholarship once; I found the quote on Kalamullah.


And the Spanish nude beaches on the coasts prove that he was right today!

Makes you wonder.

It's funny that you quote him, seeing as how he spent a whole lot of time attacking other scholars...

Anyways, the 50 page tahqiq is on a hadith for placing the hands below the navel, not on the chest. And it's not pointless when it's defending a valid opinion against people whom you have recognized yourself as forcefully claiming that the hands must be placed upon the chest.

[Sunni Muslim]

No wonder we're in such a mud-patch. Shaikh al-Albani fanatics spouting off about the hands MUST BE PLACED ON THE CHEST and others shooting back full force with fifty pages of tahqiq on hands BEING PLACED ON THE CHEST AND THE WEAKNESS THEREOF...

I can't imagine that this will be a good part of the Shaikh's legacy, these absurd, ceaseless arguments over legal minutiae.

Ibn Hazm said something very sensible about this sort of scholarship once; I found the quote on Kalamullah.


And the Spanish nude beaches on the coasts prove that he was right today!

Makes you wonder.

There is nothing wrong in discussing the proofs of one's position, especially, if certain people have made it their life time agenda to attack the Ahnaf. BTW - Ibn Hazm himself got involved in thse legal minutiae as you mentioned - just look at his Muhalla and you can see his down right arrogance in critiqueing the positions of some great Imams of the past. Are you even aware that Ibn Hazm had to flee from one town to the next for his insults? He was also involved in debates with Maliki scholars like al-Baji, as well as attacking Ash'ari's!

Using your arguments then one can even not spare the likes of Imam al-Bukhari for he also wrote in defence of doing raful yadayn and reciting sura Fatiha behind the Imam.. This goes to show that the origin of these types of scholarly arguments and positions came from the early days of Islam and its all fine if done by qualified Ulama with the right adab, unlike al-Albani et al - who lacked scholarship and true adab as well.

[Sunni Muslim]

It's funny that you quote him, seeing as how he spent a whole lot of time attacking other scholars...

Anyways, the 50 page tahqiq is on a hadith for placing the hands below the navel, not on the chest. And it's not pointless when it's defending a valid opinion against people whom you have recognized yourself as forcefully claiming that the hands must be placed upon the chest.

Wa alaikum salam

SAHIH!

[Quandary]

I'm aware of that, but I think the position of Muslims in the time of Imam Bukhari and the position of Muslims now- there is no real comparison between these two positions, not at all. In addition, this has been discussed to death. It is hardly necessary to go insane trying to refute proponents of reigniting ancient arguments. The better thing to do would be to ignore them.

Ibn Hazm had a condition, so its hardly fair to point to that without acknowledging it.

My wording was bad, ie, the weakness of the position concerning placing the hands on the chest. Allahu alim, I just get annoyed looking at all these endless hands debates wherever I see them.

[umar_italy]

I'm aware of that, but I think the position of Muslims in the time of Imam Bukhari and the position of Muslims now- there is no real comparison between these two positions, not at all. In addition, this has been discussed to death. It is hardly necessary to go insane trying to refute proponents of reigniting ancient arguments. The better thing to do would be to ignore them.

Ibn Hazm had a condition, so its hardly fair to point to that without acknowledging it.

My wording was bad, ie, the weakness of the position concerning placing the hands on the chest. Allahu alim, I just get annoyed looking at all these endless hands debates wherever I see them.

I can see your point, but it would be unfair to complain about all this without noticing who have started all this (to the point of accusing of shirk those who make taqlid of a real Madhhab, only to "force" them to follow their own innovated fifth-madhhab as if it was the "incarnation" of Qur'an and Sunnah), i.e. the Salafis.

All this is just a reaction to their fitna and accusations.

And reactions can't be condemned without taking a serious account of what "caused" them.

[Quandary]

I can see your point, but it would be unfair to complain about all this without noticing who have started all this (to the point of accusing of shirk those who make taqlid of a real Madhhab, only to "force" them to follow their own innovated fifth-madhhab as if it was the "incarnation" of Qur'an and Sunnah), i.e. the Salafis.

All this is just a reaction to their fitna and accusations.

And reactions can't be condemned without taking a serious account of what "caused" them.

So the response is "They started it?" Excellent way to resolve conflict, point to who "started it."

And the extraordinarily tiny minority of mis-guided individuals who hold the position you are speaking about, is precisely that-a minority among the minority! I guarantee you that you will find no such statements even from Shaikh al-Albani, that following a mad'hab is shirk, without extrapolating onto his words realities that are not there. And you will find thousands of statements to the contrary from every other Shaikh who ascribes himself or is ascribed to the movement in question.