Dr Bootee on Shaykhul Islam Ibn Taymiyah

[Lahori12]

Salam aleykum

Dr Saeed Ramadan Al Bootee said : " And we are amazed when we see extremists declaring Ibn Taymiyah, may Allah have mercy upon him, of being a disbeliever. And also their saying that he was one who held Allah to be a body. I have studied hard and long in order to see where I could find a statement or a word from Ibn Taymiyah that he wrote or said which would indicate that he held Allah to be a body, as has been quoted from him bu As Subkee and others, and I have not found anything from him like this. All I found was his statement in his Fatawa : " Indeed Allah has a Hand as He said and has arisen over the throne as He said and He has an Eye as He said "...I referred to the final work written by Abul Hassan Al Ash'ari 'Al Ibanah' and I found him saying exactly what Ibn Taymiyah said "

refer to his book Nadwah Itihhaahaatul Fikril Islamee p 264-265 as quoted in p 170 of book " explanation of a Summary of 'Aqeedatil Hamawiyah " in english.

[nuqtah]

Very interesting indeed. I would like to hear others opinions on this. JzakAllahu khair.

[faqir]

It is evident that al-Buti has a mixed opinion of the man as is clear from his suspecting Ibn Taymiyya of following Aristotelian causality and his accusing him of over-involvement in philosophy and kalam cf. al-Buti, al-Salafiyya (p. 164-175).

[Dr. GF Haddad]


Please note: This book [al-Salafiyya] is on the list to be translated soon by Hamoudeh and co. - if Lahori12 would like to contribute in this endeavour please see:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16386

[sasjamal]

faqir that quote in and of itself does not do much,

I personally believe he 'did' get some stuff from Aristotle, yet did not believe Allaah had body parts -

The sum of your statement and the sum of Dr Boutis statement ends up being what I already believe about the imam -

Is there something else in that book which would indciate that Dr. bouti later on then goes and says ibn taymiyah believed Allaah was a body?

Otherwise, he may consider him to have some stuff wrong, but NOT believe that Allaah has a body -

Sas

[nuqtah]

So what's the big deal yo?

The whole ilm al kalaam is based on Aristotlean Logic. Open works of Aristotle anytime and works of `ilm al-kalam. It is exact carbon copy of the Logical rules and paradigms established by Aristotle.

So why "only" call out Ibn Taymiyah on it? Is it because he's a [clip]?

[sasjamal]

You ask questions that indiciate you do not really want to know and that you have made up your mind, and its frusuturating - so please try not do to do that-

The problem is, this:

Everything aristolte said was not kufr, and some things he said was kufr -

There is a particular belie which ibn taymiyah which indicates he thought the creation was eternal - and this is from Aristotle, and its a kufr belief -

I believe he was influenced by aristotle to say something like that - but I do not neccessarily believe he meant by it what some people believed he meant by it (meaning many scholars from way back)

So thats 'the big deal yo'

So its very possible dr. bouti may have a problem with that particular aristotle belief of ibn taymiyah, but NOT think that Ibn Taymiyah believed Allaah had body parts -

It is better to ask others and learn then to just assume that his using aristotle is the same as the asharees using Aristotle -

Sas

[nuqtah]

You ask questions that indiciate you do not really want to know and that you have made up your mind, and its frusuturating - so please try not do to do that-

The problem is, this:

Everything aristolte said was not kufr, and some things he said was kufr -

There is a particular belie which ibn taymiyah which indicates he thought the creation was eternal - and this is from Aristotle, and its a kufr belief -

I believe he was influenced by aristotle to say something like that - but I do not neccessarily believe he meant by it what some people believed he meant by it (meaning many scholars from way back)

So thats 'the big deal yo'

So its very possible dr. bouti may have a problem with that particular aristotle belief of ibn taymiyah, but NOT think that Ibn Taymiyah believed Allaah had body parts -

It is better to ask others and learn then to just assume that his using aristotle is the same as the asharees using Aristotle -

Sas

I never said he used Aristotle the same way Asharis did. And it's quite funny you keep on saying I've made up my mind. If I had made up my mind I wouldnt have made it this far. Please don't be unjust; you know better. I'm equally critical of idiotic salafis on your forums...atleast give me the credit man!

[sasjamal]

I know, I mentiond thats the feeling that I get, I know you do not mean it that way - but I am getting frusturated - that is all -

Sorry if I assumed you said something you did not say or mean -

Sas

[loveProphet]

It is evident that al-Buti has a mixed opinion of the man as is clear from his suspecting Ibn Taymiyya of following Aristotelian causality and his accusing him of over-involvement in philosophy and kalam cf. al-Buti, al-Salafiyya (p. 164-175).

[Dr. GF Haddad]


Please note: This book [al-Salafiyya] is on the list to be translated soon by Hamoudeh and co. - if Lahori12 would like to contribute in this endeavour please see:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16386

Good point akhi.

[tazkiyyah]

Shame on you sunniforum.
For giving this man lahori space to propagate baatil.

He quotes ahlul haq to try and prove his baatil...

kalimatul haq...yureedu bi hil baatil.


He is engaged in a game.It is the same game started by iblees.
To confuse PEOPLE in their deen....

To pollute the clarity of the haqq.

Who needs that.
Just look at the face of a wali...and all his rubbish vanishes like salt dissolves in water.Hahahhah..Alhamdulillah
Thank you Allah for the barakah of the awliyah.
Mawlana thanvi said one of the greatest conduits the sinners have in this age is the tawassul through the sandals of the Prophet(saw).Allahu Akbar.
He drew it in zaad as saeed...Oh God bless our awliya

The plot of shaitaan is daeef