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    Salamu aleykum,

    I was wondering why so many Sufis are formulating their own methods of Dhikr and Duaa and reciting them like it is Sunnah to do so, and also im wondering why those sufis are adding phrases or words to known authentic Dhikr and/or Dua, and attaching over exdurated virtues to those dhikr and duaa?

    I mean how can they add a virtue (which mostly is over exdurated) to a duaa or dhikr which they have made by their own.

    If you see their books you will find so many of this.

    See pic for a example

    Was salaam
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    This is something that I had compiled from a few sources in answering that question to another brother:

    Q. What is the benefit of reciting the litanies (ahzab, awrad) ascribed to
    the major Sufis? Isn’t it best to restrict oneself to reciting litanies from
    the Qur’an and Sunna?

    A. It is obvious to anyone that reads the litanies of our masters, the
    Sufis, that many of them have been gathered from the dhikrs and du’as that
    have come to us [s: from the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him] and
    from others which have been arranged by righteous scholars. So whoever reads
    them is actually reading from the Prophet’s sunna as well as others, so he
    gets the reward for both of them, and he receives the benefit of acquiring
    blessings in everything he does, receiving protection from the Shaytan and
    his whisperings, as well as purity of heart and tranquility and more from
    what has come about the merits of du’as and dhikr.
    There has been scholarly consensus on the permissibility of asking for what
    one wants in du’a as long as it is not a sinful request or the cutting off
    of relations, as has come in a hadith. And the reason for many people
    concerning themselves with reading the du`as of great Sufis is that, as the
    questioner said, they [s. the great Sufis] are very knowledgeable in this
    and tasawwuf is nothing but the knowledge of sincerity and adab with Allah
    in everything. So for these types of people, du’as and praise of Allah,
    Majestic is He, is always flowing on their tongues which is not easy for
    most people because they are far from knowing Allah, Most High, and He has
    said in his honorable book, “Fear Allah and Allah will teach you”.
    True, the dhikrs and dua’s which have come from the Prophet are better than
    any other that has come to us, as Imam al-Nawawi has mentioned in the
    beginning of the Adhkar, and with that, we see that he, may Allah have mercy
    on him, has gathered for himself a famous litany which includes invocations
    from the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and from others.

    Amjad Rasheed



    To further explain what he means by his first paragraph, there are generally
    six “types” of awrad and azhab that I have come across, those which are:

    1. composed entirely of Qur’an ayats being strung together in a
    deliberate fashion
    2. composed entirely of Qur’anic and Prophetic adhkar and du’as (like
    many of Imam al-Haddad’s awrad and the famous wird of Imam Nawawi)
    3. admixtures of the second and “original” supplications, transmitted
    from the Spiritual Masters (like many of the Shadhili awrad)
    4. invocations of particular Divine names (such as the various Latifiyyas
    in existence or the practice of many tariqas of invoking the name “Allah” in
    isolation)
    5. extended supplications of prayers and blessing upon the Messenger of
    Allah (such as the famous Dala’il al-Khayrat of Imam Jazuli or the
    Yaqutiyya)
    6. the regular (e.g. habitual) supplications composed and transmitted by
    the fuqaha (of which Imam Shafi’i’s is perhaps the most famous)


    most people who condemn awrad have never recited them themselves, so in
    reality, they have no concrete knowledge of what they are actually
    condemning, like the people who have waged a war on the mawlid, but have
    never participated in one themselves.


    something else, paraphrased from Tariqa Notes, Sh. Nuh Keller:
    As some of the Shaikhs of the path have said: The sunnah supplications were
    not intended to take the place of all others.
    1.There are too many sunnah dhikrs to be said on a daily basis. A single
    collection of them, like at-Tabaranis Kitab ad-Dua contains more than 2000.
    Imam Nawawis Adhkar contains about 1600. the daily reciting of which
    (assuming one could memorize them) would leave to for nothing else, and life
    would have to stop.
    2. Because Allah does not demand the impossible from His servants, something
    else must be meant;whether to give servants freshness and variety in thier
    duas or to teach us that the Prophet (saw), in the words of Aisha: “Used to
    make Dhikr at all of his times.” or for some other divine wisdom.
    3. The Prophet (saw) himself taught us that the sunnah does not discourage
    other prayers and duas, but rather they are part of the sunnah as well, as
    it attested to by the sahih hadith of Buraydah:
    “I entered the masjid with the messenger of Allah (saw), where a man was at
    prayer saying in his dua: Oh Allah, I ask you by the fact that I testify
    that there is no god but You, al-Ahad, as-Samad, aladhi lam yalid wa lam
    yulad, wa lam yakun lahu kuf’uan ahad.-and the Prophet (saw) said: By Him in
    whose hand is my soul, he has asked Allah by His greatest name, which if he
    is asked by it, He gives, and if supplicated, he answers.”"
    This establishes that when the companions made up their own duas without
    previous instruction from the Prophet (saw), he did not merely tolerate it,
    but rather encouraged it with the highest degree of approbation and
    acceptance-thereby legislating until the end of time that duas other than
    those he explicitly taught are recommended in a general sense as part of the
    sunna and secondly, that they should be remembered and transmitted too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Ajibah View Post
    This is something that I had compiled from a few sources in answering that question to another brother:

    What about the exadurated virtues attached to those dhikr and dua?


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    I have heard from some of my teachers that this goes back to what is observed by experience-that there were certain effects brought about by performing certain Adhkar for a certain amount of time. Our teachers also say that the numbers given are also a guide and that one should be aware that they can sometimes be a veil between the one performing the Dhikr, and the One being remembered.


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    As far as I am aware there are two types of fadha'il:

    One is the action for which you seek reward in the hereafter. This has to be proven by wahi, you can't give khushuf of the awliya' as evidence for this.

    The other is the dunyawi benefit for something, this can be based on experience, like, for example, the fadha'il given by some for the Qasida Burdah.

    But yes, it does appear [to me] that some may have exaggerated the merits of reciting some du'as.

    And Allah knows best
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    Wordings of Awrad and Ahzab go back to the ijtihad of a particular Sheikh. Read the ahzab of Abul Hasan al-Shadhili and you'll find Quranic verses, masnun dhikr and well as the Sheikh's own words, none of which goes against the Noble Sunnah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faqir View Post


    As far as I am aware there are two types of fadha'il:

    One is the action for which you seek reward in the hereafter. This has to be proven by wahi, you can't give khushuf of the awliya' as evidence for this.

    The other is the dunyawi benefit for something, this can be based on experience, like, for example, the fadha'il given by some for the Qasida Burdah.

    But yes, it does appear [to me] that some may have exaggerated the merits of reciting some du'as.

    And Allah knows best
    So you agree with me that the Duaas i did post above with the exaggerated virtue attached to it is a innovation (unless it is reported by hadeeth)

    Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam of darul Iftaa said in a fatwa:

    Benefit to a duaa or dhikr which is connected with specific Hereafter (ukhrawiyya) benefits--such as saying that a particular act or recital would give you such and such reward in the hereafter, or reciting a particular form of salutation would guarantee the intercession of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace). It is wrong to mention and believe in such specific benefits and virtues unless they are established from Allah Most High or the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace).


    So it is clear that the duaas i posted are a innovation and one must not believe in it (unless someone can you that these are proven through hadith)

    This is just one example of the thousands from the books of the Sufis.

    Was salaam


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    As salamu `alaykum,

    As Sidi Ibn `Ajiba quoted from Shaykh Amjad, both du'a and dhikr are recommended in a general way and there is absolutely no prohibition or dislike of reciting the du'a of another, unless one falsely believes that du'a to be from the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). The same goes with salawat and not even the Salafis state that the prayer upon the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), which is in essence a du'a, has to be in a particular form.

    Most of the benefits that are mentioned, from what I have seen, is because of what faqir said. Those things which are mentioned of akhiri benefits, have come from the Sunnah. The vast majority of adhkar that I have seen are either completely from the Qur'an and the ahadith, or are from those two sources with invocation intermixed between them. Therefore, if a particular dhikr has been reported to have a certain akhiri effect, then that effect is not cancelled merely because it is strung together with other adhkar according to ijtihad whose permissibility comes from the action of the Companions done in front of the Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace).

    As for those mentioned that have dunywi benefits, they are observed sunnahs and are mentioned by way of encouragement and that is not something that can be condemned.

    As for you examples, they are not innovations and what exactly is exaggerated about them? I know for certain that at least three of them are directly from the ahadith. The only one that I am not sure about is the one taken from the Dala'il al-Khayrat, but anyone who knows the history of that text knows that Imam Jazuli didn't just pull what he had written out of thin air. So I do not understand your objection to this specific salawat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lumumba_s View Post
    As salamu `alaykum,

    As Sidi Ibn `Ajiba quoted from Shaykh Amjad, both du'a and dhikr are recommended in a general way and there is absolutely no prohibition or dislike of reciting the du'a of another, unless one falsely believes that du'a to be from the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace). The same goes with salawat and not even the Salafis state that the prayer upon the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), which is in essence a du'a, has to be in a particular form.

    Most of the benefits that are mentioned, from what I have seen, is because of what faqir said. Those things which are mentioned of akhiri benefits, have come from the Sunnah. The vast majority of adhkar that I have seen are either completely from the Qur'an and the ahadith, or are from those two sources with invocation intermixed between them. Therefore, if a particular dhikr has been reported to have a certain akhiri effect, then that effect is not cancelled merely because it is strung together with other adhkar according to ijtihad whose permissibility comes from the action of the Companions done in front of the Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace).

    As for those mentioned that have dunywi benefits, they are observed sunnahs and are mentioned by way of encouragement and that is not something that can be condemned.

    As for you examples, they are not innovations and what exactly is exaggerated about them? I know for certain that at least three of them are directly from the ahadith. The only one that I am not sure about is the one taken from the Dala'il al-Khayrat, but anyone who knows the history of that text knows that Imam Jazuli didn't just pull what he had written out of thin air. So I do not understand your objection to this specific salawat.



    Then give me the proofs for the duaas/salawat which i send in the first post of this thread the one for 600.000 sawaab and the one of 1000 days sawaab and the other one proving that the benefits of those are authentic and valid.

    The problem is they contain Hereafter (ukhrawiyya) benefits which are not proven through Hadith or Quran.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ozgurislam View Post
    Then give me the proofs for the duaas/salawat which i send in the first post of this thread the one for 600.000 sawaab and the one of 1000 days sawaab and the other one proving that the benefits of those are authentic and valid.

    The problem is they contain Hereafter (ukhrawiyya) benefits which are not proven through Hadith or Quran.
    Did you read what I had said? Those salawat are from the ahadith literature, so are you suggesting that just because someone states that you will receive so many rewards for it, that what is permissible and was taught by the Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace), thereby it becomes a bidah?

    The whole basis of your initial objection is mistaken, the Sufis have composed awrad by adding their own supplications between what has been narrated from the Messenger because that is something that the Companions did. We do it every time we make salat and say, "rabbana wa laka'l-hamd", which was a supplication, in the prayer, that was originally spontaneously initiated by a Companion, with any prior explicit permission from the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace).

    And if you were paying attention, the actual proof is right below the formulas:

    "Read on Lailatul Qadr: 1 Night Equals 1000 months". So if like the `ulama say for the salat, the reward of doing acts of worship in general are multiplied during that month, saying any of the above, which has a definite reward from the Qur'an and the ahadith that cannot be denied, on that night is like saying it 1,000 times.

    As for the one which states 600,000, it is probably found in a sharh of the book from which it was taken, in addition to it being a formula of multiplication. And if anything, the number 600,000 is an understatement. It should be infinity . . .

    And if I need to prove to you that sending salawat upon the Prophet is a means for forgiveness, then I'm afraid this whole thread is pointless.
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