On music

[Mossy]

Music is as haram as speech imo..

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316 may be of use - I'd say you'll find more joy using hadith than Qu'ran in this particular discussion.. Also have an open mind as to the ikhtilaaf (differnece of opinion) that is present within sections of this particular dooda.. And be careful of blanket statements

[salman]

Music is as haram as speech imo..

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316 may be of use - I'd say you'll find more joy using hadith than Qu'ran in this particular discussion.. Also have an open mind as to the ikhtilaaf (differnece of opinion) that is present within sections of this particular dooda.. And be careful of blanket statements

The opinion that Music such as the flute and other stringed instruments are Halal is a minority opinion that is not correct according to the Majority of the Ulema, Shafi aswell as Hanafi.

As for Shaikh Yusuf Qardawis analysis, then he is a person whose methodology differes greatly from us and who has been criticised for many things by the Ulema. His opinion hold no weight when put side by side by the likes of Ibn Abidin or Imam Nawawis, Ghazalis or Imam Ibn Hajar (see Umdat As salik for the views of Nawawi, Ghazali and Ibn Hajar).

Wallahu A'lam

[Mossy]

Hmm? I didn't mention any of them, I have my own take on things As I said, certain sections..

Sallamu Alaikum

Adherance to the Majority is not in rulings of Fiqh, otherwise the concept of Ikthilaf would be genuinely void. However, although i do not agree with Music and nor do i endorse it, it is only fair to note that there have been scholars - in the past and present - that have allowed it and who have based their evidence on Hadith. Take Imam Muhammad Abu Zahra for example, or Sayyid Al Nas whose book contains proofs of 180 companions who used to write poetry in praise of the Prophet with Musical instruments or Maulana Rumi and the great Sultan Al Awliya Shaikh Izz Ad Din. The great Sufi Hanafi Faqih if Damascus, Shaykh Abdul Ghani Nablusis book Idaah al Dalaalaat fi Samaa` Al Aalaat is really one the most authoritative and precise work to date on this issue in which he lists the examples of numerous Sahabas playing instruments or having it played to them. Also i should not fail to mention Imam Dhahabis Siyar Al Ulum that the MAdhab of the people of people of Medina was the allowance of Musical instruments.

The rule is: "Do not leave what the Umma concurred on keeping, do not keep what the Umma concurred on leaving, and in between one may keep or leave." The Umma did NOT deicde on prohibiting musical instruments as a whole so to say it is "Jahilliya" if one doesnot abide by a ruling that may well seem to be the majority is ignorance on ones part.

Note: I take the opinion that music is Haram.

Wallahu A'lam

I like that.

The majority opinion is not that music is haram in itself and I will disagree quite politely with anyone who indicates it is. As you have said, certain types are considered thus - note the warning in my previous post

[Live for Islam]

The majority opinion is not that music is haram in itself

Hmm..interesting. So, going by what you're saying, if the majority of opinion is that music is not haram in itself, what is it then? And what do you mean by 'music not being haram in itself'?

(..actually maybe we shouldn't be having this discussion...'where ignorant armies clash at night' comes to mind...hmm...)

[Mossy]

Hmm..interesting. So, going by what you're saying, if the majority of opinion is that music is not haram in itself, what is it then? And what do you mean by 'music not being haram in itself'?

(..actually maybe we shouldn't be having this discussion...'where ignorant armies clash at night' comes to mind...hmm...)

I have a feeling we've had this discussion before

Ok.

Question: Is speech considered haram?

Answer: No.

Question: Is backbiting speech considered haram?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Are nasheeds haram?

Answer: No.

Question: Are nasheeds musical?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Is music haram?

Answer: Nasheeds don't seem to be.

Question: Is music containing flutes/stringed instruments considered haram to construct/listen to?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Is all music like this?

Answer: No.

Question: Are certain types of music considered haram?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Are certain types of music considered halal?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Is the base state of something halal or haram?

Answer: Halal.

Question: Is music halal or haram?

Answer: Some forms are considered halal and some forms considered haram.

Question: Does that mean it can be either?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Why the need for blanket statements?

Answer: ..


nb considered = by the majority opinion

[Live for Islam]

Hah. Same old discussion huh..

If I recall correctly, didn't you say you were going to write an article or something about this...(ages ago..!)?

[Mossy]

Hah. Same old discussion huh..

If I recall correctly, didn't you say you were going to write an article or something about this...(ages ago..!)?

Not an article, a paper - it is a somewhat large and confused subject though

I unfortuantely got drawn into the world of examinations and then venture capital. I've escaped back into academia however and now get to write again, mash'Allah

Who knows, I may even write something that makes sense..

[Zahra]

Ok cool...thanks for the clarification about music..I'm going to sound thick now but here goes! So to summarise which types of music are halal then?

[faqeerkhan]

As-salaam `alaykum,

Hazrat Shaykh Abdul Ghani al-Nabulsi al-Hanafi, a great sufi scholar and faqih has a book "Idah al-dalalat fi sama’ al-alat" in defence of Music. Imam Ibn Qudamah al-Hanbali has also written in defence of Music in his magnus opus "Mughni". Few years ago I had posted a detailed article on this subject on the defunct ASFA forum. There is difference of opinion on this subject and Allah knows better.
Wallahu `alam bi sawab.


wassalam.
Faqeer Khan

[Mossy]

Allah knows better.

That's a fantastic line.

Eh, I've merged the music halal/haram thread and effectively reopened it.

I would urge everyone to read through the thread before posting - certainly before copy and pasting

I'd like to pick up on something br salman said - he referenced Imam al-Ghazali's position that sama'a was permissable, which may or may not include music.

Here we see an example of a non-correlated translation. It happens a lot.

For example, as far as I can see, the fiqh definition of music which is impermissable does not include Qu'ranic recitation as a form of music etc.. Yet under the English definition it would be so.

I can't help but think the original question of the thread which was merged - is music halal or haram - is equivalent to something like: is sex halal or haram? Or, to use a more analagous example, is meat halal or haram?

Be careful with language kids, semantics will get ya..