The Retreat-BBC 2

[Ansari_UK]

Salam,

to my opinion they aren't shadhili-darqawi, they seem to be Qadiri Boudchichi.

Tariqa Qadiriya Boudchichiya is the largest tariqa in Morocco in our days. It comes from Amir Abdelkader's cousins, the Qadiri Bou Chich.

The actual shaykh is Sidi Hamza al-Qadiri al-Boudchichi, he is 85. His master was Sidi Abu Madyan al-Qadiri al-Boudchich who had more than 20 masters. He also met Sidi Ahmad al-Alawi and made the synthesis of tijaniya, shadhiliya-darqawiya, shadhiliya, qadiriya.
Some of the elements of the differents tariqas appears in the dhikr.

Wa salam

Asalaam Aalikum

I think you are correct brother, that is why i thought there was elements of shadhillilya but certainly if that is the mainstream tariqah of Morocco it seems the better answer

[Ansari_UK]

I was just wondering, because I'm so deficient in knowledge in this area, what is Tariqah, and how can I find out more about it?

A Tariqah is a sufi path sister there are many, the best guess would be to start a seperate thread on this board and much more knowledgable people will inshAllah answer.

[Ansari_UK]

Asalam alikum wr wb,

i thought i was the only person completely taken back by this comment of his, and not only that he went on to back bite the sister to the non muslim lady subanallah will the ummah ever be united? if the form of dhika they was doing was correct why not at least tell some hadith and so on. isnt following the way of sunnah one of the first instructions for us being a muslim affter worshipping Allah alone. this is a big matter and not a minor one.

Asalaam Alaikum sister

Not when people label bidah and derogatory remarks freely and openly like some. Abduallah was defending himself and i dont blame him.

Also you dont know the editing of the program, it was by BBC non Muslims. How do you know he didnt answer with hadith???? but the bbc only showed that to provoke reaction? Allah asks us to verify.

So verify he didnt mean what he said in the way it was shown? If you cant who does your imaan say you trust.

a non Muslim (BBC) or a Muslim (Abdullah). It goes to show you cant walk around shouting "bidah" to everything you dont know about (it is extremely offensive),

to then proclaim Unity defies beleif. a bit like someone slapping u and then saying "hey why arent we uniting"?

walaikum asalaam

[ENIGMA]

My sources tell me that the lady called 'Pom' on the programme has accepted islam. She's going to Morroco soon to study Arabic. Alhamdulillah.

[Ansari_UK]

Allahu Akbar, bro is this true or u just saying?

[Nextman]

i just finished watching it about an hour ago and i loved it. i was real pleased with the way the bbc are finally showing the sufi way of islam.

But one thing that dissapointed me - aishah (the salafi girl) is influencing azim (the other guy). I think its ok for her to give her dawah but he's lusting for her and thats really affecting his position on zikr and the whole sufi lifestyle. At the start of the program he was the enthusiastic one and his roommate mudasar was still finding it hard to settle in but by the end of the show - everything had changed. Mudasar was on a spiritual high even the morning AFTER the zikr (in morocco) but azim hadnt enjoyed the zikr at all because he thought it was unislamic - hmmm, i wonder where he got that idea . i found it frustrating though that no1 really ever outlined the reasons aisha believes zikr is unislamic (or bidah) and how shortspread (or widespread- i dont know) her views are in the islamic world.


that is just my personal review of the show but i would love to see opinions from other muslims (and non-muslims) since im not really as well-educated islamically

btw - i thought it was abit weird how at the first few fajr prayers only the athiest turned up for jamaat.

wasalaam

[Ish]

Salaam all!

Watched both programmes and I have to say I felt uncomfortable with some of the practices albeit due to my lack of knowledge on different types of tasawwuf.

I think Abdullah could have helped Aisha better by explaining how tasawwuf is part and parcel of Islam and lineage can be traced back to the companions of our prophet (saw) and of course in turn to our prophet (saw) himself.

Not sure if Azim's attitude to the zikr in Morocco was influenced wholly by Aisha but more to do with natural instincts about something he had no knowledge or experience of. I mean lets be honest how many of us watched it and also felt uncomfortable?

Alhamdulillah pom has accepted Islam as bro Enigma has pointed out and from what I have been told she is now in Morocco learning Arabic.

I am new here and I believe there are ulemas on here mashallah! maybe they can tell us what type of zikr it is and whether it's recognised amongst the mainstream school of thoughts?

[Abu Suliman]

i know the scholar they had brother Iqbal he is from my area he is maliki and he's shaykh is from morroco dont know who maybe someone does know?

[tazkiyyah]

Sidi Hamza
Bou shish qadiri tariqa

[Ansari_UK]

I missed the 2nd episode

anywhere i can watch a repeat????????????????????????????????