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    "There is no taqleed in regards to aqidah"-What does this mean?


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    as salamu alaykum

    sunnipath answers:

    The definition and scope of taqlid varies between the two issues... In aqida, it is to follow another, without knowing why you are following them. That is, Zayd believes in Allah because his father does. If he is firm on this belief, such that if his father were to leave it he would remain, then his believe is sound and otherwise it is not. But he is sinful... Having even the slightest understanding of why one believes is sufficient to take one out of this sin, such as: "Well, all of creation requires a Creator... Allah!" Few, as the scholars note, are bereft of this.


    First, the claim of taqlid in belief. There is no taqlid in belief. An adult Muslim that enquires or learns about the tenets of belief is not committing taqlid in belief - which is not acceptable – but rather [1] learning something basic which he or she did not know about the Divine Attributes but must believe and/or [2] formulating and clarifying what he or she already believes.

    The end of Imam Abu Hanifa's foundational doctrinal text titled al-Fiqh al-Akbar (The Supreme Knowledge) states that when a person is boggled by something which they must resolve on pains of losing their faith, they must immediately ask a learned source to clarify it for them. An example: a person knows that Allah forgives all sins except shirk, and remembers that at one time in their life they committed that horrible sin, then starts wondering: "but can Allah forgive me then? Does He not say that He forgives all except that?" Such a person risks kufr by not immediately asking someone knowledgeable who will tell him that Yes, Allah forgives shirk for the repentant sinner and that the gates of repentance are open until the last moments of death. This is not taqlid but necessary `ilm and ta`lim.


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    As sallamu alaaikum
    Yes, Allah forgives shirk for the repentant sinner and that the gates of repentance are open until the last moments of death
    ???!!! You say Allah Ta'ala forgives all sins but shirk and then say He forgives shirk???

    Wa alaikum as sallam


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    Quote Originally Posted by ilm_seeker
    As sallamu alaaikum


    ???!!! You say Allah Ta'ala forgives all sins but shirk and then say He forgives shirk???

    Wa alaikum as sallam
    Allah (swt) may forgive any sin that you have not repented for save shirk.

    You may repent for shirk and he may or may not accept your repentance on the basis of your sincerity etc.

    Hence he can forgive shirk - but only for the repentent one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mossy
    Allah (swt) may forgive any sin that you have not repented for save shirk.

    You may repent for shirk and he may or may not accept your repentance on the basis of your sincerity etc.

    Hence he can forgive shirk - but only for the repentent one.
    As sallamu alaikum

    If thats true, then wouldn't you say that it sounds different what practically every Sheikh has ever preached? Meaning to say that they alway say that if you committed Shirk then it cannot be forgiven regardless of how much you truly repent. Once its done its done and will remain on your record of bad deeds for ever.

    Wa alaikum as sallam


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    Eh, I don't know that many Shaykhs..

    But I don't think that's what practically every one since the inception of Islam has preached.


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    Something just came to mind re: repentance for shirk.. Surah al-Furqan, 68-71:

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    YUSUFALI: Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment.
    PICKTHAL: And those who cry not unto any other god along with Allah, nor take the life which Allah hath forbidden save in (course of) justice, nor commit adultery - and whoso doeth this shall pay the penalty;
    SHAKIR: And they who do not call upon another god with Allah and do not slay the soul, which Allah has forbidden except in the requirements of justice, and (who) do not commit fornication and he who does this shall find a requital of sin;

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    YUSUFALI: (But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-
    PICKTHAL: The doom will be doubled for him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein disdained for ever;
    SHAKIR: The punishment shall be doubled to him on the day of resurrection, and he shall abide therein in abasement;

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    YUSUFALI: Unless he repents, believes, and works righteous deeds, for Allah will change the evil of such persons into good, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful,
    PICKTHAL: Save him who repenteth and believeth and doth righteous work; as for such, Allah will change their evil deeds to good deeds. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
    SHAKIR: Except him who repents and believes and does a good deed; so these are they of whom Allah changes the evil deeds to good ones; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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    YUSUFALI: And whoever repents and does good has truly turned to Allah with an (acceptable) conversion;-
    PICKTHAL: And whosoever repenteth and doeth good, he verily repenteth toward Allah with true repentance -
    SHAKIR: And whoever repents and does good, he surely turns to Allah a (goodly) turning.
    There are a few others too, but that seems pretty definitive. He is al-Ghafoor and al-Tawwab after all..


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    I sense some confusion between repenting from shirk whilst one is alive vs. dying as a mushrik and Allah not forgiving the shirk then...


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    Mmm.. The doors of repentence close at death?

    Uhh, back on topic people.

    Ahem.


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    salams

    sorry to stay off topic (I think the original ? has been answered quite definitively), but, if Allah did not forgive shirk... erm... how would anyone actually convert? Everyone is either a kafir or a mushrik before becoming muslim. Or am I missing some really obvious point here?


    btw, in this world, Allah can forgive minor sins without repentence. In the hereafter, He may forgive any sin - major or minor - except shirk through his overwhelming forgiveness. Major sins require repentence in this world, and it is for this that the doors of repentence are closed when 'the soul reaches the throat'.

    was salam


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