A Problem while i try to gain Knowledge about Islam

[hamdusa]

Muslims say, "Iyaka Nabodo va iyaka nastaeen".
Its copied from Qurran para1 3rd Aayah.
Meaning "Ham tairi hi Ibadat kertay hain or tujh hi say madad mangtay hain".

It is a pray of Muslim. All the muslims agree to this but there is something wrong, not with this verse but with Muslims, because Muslims dont do what hey say. Reason is below

I am going to share my thoughts with you in Urdu language. and i expect an answer in Urdu.

Is aayat ko Allah taala nay muslims ki dua ki tarha introduce kervaya hay.
Muslims kahtay hain k ham Allah ki hi Ibadat kertay hain oor us hi say madad mangtay hain. It is a rule and must be followed in order to become a Muslim. But actually it is not the case. Almost all the Muslims do voilate this rule. HOW???

Muslims say Ya Ali Madad!!!!!!!!!!! What is this?
Musalmanoon ko sikhaya jata hay k jab bhi badal garajtay hain oor bijli karrakti hay to "Ya Baba Freed Shakar Gang!!"!!!!! What is this????????
Muslims say "Ya Rasul Allah" and directly call Prophet (PBUH). Muslims directly say prayers and directly beg from Prophet (PBUH). What is this???? (Before rejecting it, please look around and then answer. It is actually happening. If you dont find it happening you have to dive into the words of preys of Muslims and specially the preys of Khateeb-e-Masjid).



The knowledge i have about Islam is that Qurran is the main source of Islam and then here comes Hadith and then Ulmah and personal thinking.

I have raised this question by giving the reference from Qurran so you have to find another reference from Qurran to counter my Observations.
Please answer my questions in Urdu.
Please if you answer here, countinuously visit this thread so that you can read my replies to your answers.


Thank You in Advance if you resolve my this problem then i will ask another Pinching Question in another Thread.

[hamdusa]

Why doesnt anyone answer these questions? These are basics of Islam and if i was expecting dozens of answers from all of you.

[Muaz bin jabal]

bro what i think ur talking about is tawassul and it has its rules and stuff, so go on sunnipath.com and type in tawassul and inshallah u can get ur answers. If not then u can go to darulifta-deoband.com and they can answer u in urdu inshallah.

[AbulAsad]

As salamu Alykum brother Hamdusa,
My urdu is not good but lets try, jaisa ki aapka sawal hai ki kuch musalmaan dua mangte waqt Allah ta'Aala ki jagah apne peer, wali ka naam lete hai to ispe mera ilm ye hai ki jo log apne peer or wali ke wasile se Allah se mangte hai to wo gunah nahi hai kyuki unhone Allah ki sabse nazdeek logo ko Allah tak pahuchne ka wasila banaya hai, par wo log jo ye samjthe hai ki unke peer ya wali unki har taqleef dur kar denge to ye shirk gunah hai, beshaq Allah hi hai jo sabse bada hai azeem hai aur har taqleef ko dur karne wala hai, aur Allah ki siwaay koi nahi. Par hum unka ehsaan mante hai jo hume Allah tak pahuchne ka rasta batate hai aur unke wasile se Allah khush hote hai aur inshaAllah apne bande ki taqleefon ko dur karte hai.
was salam.

[hamdusa]

As Salam O Alaikum!!!

Hello Abul Asad Bhai!!!

You said k vo log Peeon ko ALlah tak pohanchnay ka vasela bnatay hain. But i think this attitute is wrong too.

Allah Taala nay farmaya k main tumhari ShahRag say b Zyada kreeb hon.
Allah Taala nay farmaya k jab maira koi banda mairi taraf aik kadam bharta hay to main us ki taraf 10 qadam barhta hon agar vo chal k aata hay to main dorr k aata hon.
Allah Taala nay farmaya k "Iyaka Naabodo va Iyaka Nastaeen", "Ham Tairi hi ibadat kertay hain or tujh hi say madad mangtay hain"


Mujhay yah Samajh nahe lagti k musalman tamam logoon ko aik aam insan treat q nahe kertay. Hamnay yah Q samajh liya hay k Allah ki bargah main hamari directly nahe suni jaeay gi???

Us Allah ko yah manzoor nahe k us k banday us k ilava kisi oor ki taraf jhukain. Kisi or sa rajoo karain, so, hamain b apna Attitude change kerna ho ga.

Please aap mairi bat ko ghoor say parhain or btaein k mairi bat main kiya ghalti hay jo isay tasleem nahe kiya ja raha. Yakeen karain k agar yahi baat koi Imam Masjid Speaker per kharra ho ker kah day to her koi tasleem ker lay.
Hamain apni akbat k baray main khud sochna ho ga, koi molvi, peer, koi b hmari Akhrat sunvar nahe sakta. Han aik hasti hay jo k hamari Shah Rag say b kareeb hay or usnay kabhi b yah nahe kaha k main khas khas bandoon ki hi sunta hon.


Main aap kay jawab ka shidat say intazar ker raha hon. OOr please agar koi samajhta hay k mairi bat sahe hay to please yahan post zarur kerain.

Thanks
Hamid Sarfraz

[Ninjas kik high]

Muslims say, "Iyaka Nabodo va iyaka nastaeen".
Its copied from Qurran para1 3rd Aayah.
Meaning "Ham tairi hi Ibadat kertay hain or tujh hi say madad mangtay hain".

It is a pray of Muslim. All the muslims agree to this but there is something wrong, not with this verse but with Muslims, because Muslims dont do what hey say. Reason is below

I am going to share my thoughts with you in Urdu language. and i expect an answer in Urdu.

Is aayat ko Allah taala nay muslims ki dua ki tarha introduce kervaya hay.
Muslims kahtay hain k ham Allah ki hi Ibadat kertay hain oor us hi say madad mangtay hain. It is a rule and must be followed in order to become a Muslim. But actually it is not the case. Almost all the Muslims do voilate this rule. HOW???

Muslims say Ya Ali Madad!!!!!!!!!!! What is this?
Musalmanoon ko sikhaya jata hay k jab bhi badal garajtay hain oor bijli karrakti hay to "Ya Baba Freed Shakar Gang!!"!!!!! What is this????????
Muslims say "Ya Rasul Allah" and directly call Prophet (PBUH). Muslims directly say prayers and directly beg from Prophet (PBUH). What is this???? (Before rejecting it, please look around and then answer. It is actually happening. If you dont find it happening you have to dive into the words of preys of Muslims and specially the preys of Khateeb-e-Masjid).



The knowledge i have about Islam is that Qurran is the main source of Islam and then here comes Hadith and then Ulmah and personal thinking.

I have raised this question by giving the reference from Qurran so you have to find another reference from Qurran to counter my Observations.
Please answer my questions in Urdu.
Please if you answer here, countinuously visit this thread so that you can read my replies to your answers.


Thank You in Advance if you resolve my this problem then i will ask another Pinching Question in another Thread.

hmm i hope Allah swt helps u in gaining knowlege ameen ,and i dont noe urdu but i noe wat u are talkin about ..

[Skilly]

Muslims say Ya Ali Madad!!!!!!!!!!! What is this?
Musalmanoon ko sikhaya jata hay k jab bhi badal garajtay hain oor bijli karrakti hay to "Ya Baba Freed Shakar Gang!!"!!!!! What is this????????
Muslims say "Ya Rasul Allah" and directly call Prophet (PBUH). Muslims directly say prayers and directly beg from Prophet (PBUH). What is this???? (Before rejecting it, please look around and then answer. It is actually happening. If you dont find it happening you have to dive into the words of preys of Muslims and specially the preys of Khateeb-e-Masjid).

Assalamu alaikum wr wb

Yeah, you noticed.

Those who call upon the dead directly to respond are Crazy (Phagol).

Whoever does this stuff are not clearly on the right path. They must be blind to all the verses in the Quran telling them to call upon non but Allah(swt).

I hope that helps.

[abuhajira]

As Salam O Alaikum!!!

Hello Abul Asad Bhai!!!

You said k vo log Peeon ko ALlah tak pohanchnay ka vasela bnatay hain. But i think this attitute is wrong too.

Allah Taala nay farmaya k main tumhari ShahRag say b Zyada kreeb hon.
Allah Taala nay farmaya k jab maira koi banda mairi taraf aik kadam bharta hay to main us ki taraf 10 qadam barhta hon agar vo chal k aata hay to main dorr k aata hon.
Allah Taala nay farmaya k "Iyaka Naabodo va Iyaka Nastaeen", "Ham Tairi hi ibadat kertay hain or tujh hi say madad mangtay hain"


Mujhay yah Samajh nahe lagti k musalman tamam logoon ko aik aam insan treat q nahe kertay. Hamnay yah Q samajh liya hay k Allah ki bargah main hamari directly nahe suni jaeay gi???

Us Allah ko yah manzoor nahe k us k banday us k ilava kisi oor ki taraf jhukain. Kisi or sa rajoo karain, so, hamain b apna Attitude change kerna ho ga.

Please aap mairi bat ko ghoor say parhain or btaein k mairi bat main kiya ghalti hay jo isay tasleem nahe kiya ja raha. Yakeen karain k agar yahi baat koi Imam Masjid Speaker per kharra ho ker kah day to her koi tasleem ker lay.
Hamain apni akbat k baray main khud sochna ho ga, koi molvi, peer, koi b hmari Akhrat sunvar nahe sakta. Han aik hasti hay jo k hamari Shah Rag say b kareeb hay or usnay kabhi b yah nahe kaha k main khas khas bandoon ki hi sunta hon.


Main aap kay jawab ka shidat say intazar ker raha hon. OOr please agar koi samajhta hay k mairi bat sahe hay to please yahan post zarur kerain.

Thanks
Hamid Sarfraz

Baat aapki bilkul bajaa hai, lekin aap ko agar samajhna hai to soch key dairay ko wasee karna hi parega.

1. Allah hi tamam cheezon per qadir hai. Kissi ke bas mein koi qudrat naheen illa ke Allah ne kuch ikhtiyar de rakha ho. Agar Allah chahta to zaroorat hina parti is duniya ki aur is main paida honay wali makhlooq ki, lekin Allah ne paide ki aur un ko ikhtiyar bhi diya keh apni akhrat bana lein. Yeh ikhtiyar to sabh ko diya, jis tarah malak al maut ko ikhtiyar diya ke tu jis ki maut jesay chahe nikaal. (Sayyiduna Moosa a.s ka qissa qabil e ghaur hai jab unhoon ne malak ul maut ko thappar mara). Yahan yeh bhi baat zehen mein rahe keh ikhtiyaar ke ma'ni qudrat ke naheen. Akhir ha ikhtiyaar ke peechay bhi taufeeq Allah hi ki hai. Insan koi ammal apni qudrat se naheen karta.

2. Kher , baat hai waseelay ki.. to is mein asal to yahi hai ke insaan bila waseela mangay. Allah sunta hai har aik ki jo us ko pukarta hai.

3. leking kissi aik chees ka asbaat kisi doosri cheez ki nafi ka mojib naheen hota. Agar bila waseela dua ki fadheelat ho gayee, to is ka matlab ye naheen ke kisi ki sifarish naheen lag sakti. Yahan bhi qabil e ghaur ho ke sifarish se kya muraad hai. Jaisey koi dua kare, "ay Allah zaid tera bohot hi qareeb tareen banda hai, us ka taqwa ham sab main ziyada hai, tu us ki apni taraf qurbat ki badolat mujh per asaani farmaa." Is mein waseela banaya gya zaid ko, aur us ki qurbat ka wasta de kar apni khahish ka zikr kiya.

4. Yeh jo baat kee kisi doosray se mangnay ki, to fi hayaat is ka maqsad wuhi hai jo koi doosra sabab lenay main hai. Allah ne gandam ugaya ke us mein se roti khao, lekin parwarish to Allah ki taraf se hai, to gandam ka khana kiss tarah mufeed ho sakta hai? Issi tarah aik rahi paidal chalta hai aur dua karta hai safar main asani ke liyay aur Ba fadhl e khuda Allah koi waliullah bhaij deta hai, lekin ab agar yeh banda is baat per arr jaye ke mein to gher Allah se madad lena shirk samajhta hoon, to us ka yeh kahna theek na hoga. Allah ke diyay huay asbaab ka inkaar karna rahbaniyat hi hai aur islam main us ki jaga naheen.

5. Issi ki saath aik awe waseela is tarah se hai ke charwaha sunsaan jaga mein pukare "Aye Allah ke ghulamo meri madad ko aao..." Is mein madad Allah se directly naheen mangi balkeh ibaad (ghulaam) ko pukara hai. Is qissam ka tawassul ahadith mein mawjood hai. Agar in ahadith ka inkaar kiya jaye to eimaan ka khatra hai. chand laugh jinhoon ne iss ki abahat ka zikr kya hai woh yeh hain :

# Imam Tabrani r.a in Al Mu’jamul Kabeer. (Vol 10. Pg. 267 & Vol. 17 Pg. 117)
# Imam Abu Yahya in his Masnad (Hadeeth # 5269)
# Imam Ibnus Sunni (Hadeeth # 508)
# Imam Nawawi r.a in Al-Azkaar
# Allama Sakhawi r.a in Al Ibtihaaj (Pg. 61-62)
# Ibn Hajjar Al Haitami r.a in Sharhul Idaah

aur pher Imam Nawawi r.a kaye auroon ka zikr bhi karte hain hatta ke yeh bhi likhtay hain keh unhoon ne khud bhi is ko muassar paya. (Aladhkaar)

Allama Shawkani r.a kehtay hain keh iss main koi mazaiqa naheen, yeh aisey hi hai jesay kissi admi se koi madad chahna (tuhfa tuz zakireen)

Haan lekin Mullah Ali Qari r.a ne aik shart ye bataee hai ke is ke saath yeh aiteqaad har giz na hona chahiyay ke ke pukara jane wala koi makhsoos abd hai, ya pukarey janay wale ke paas imdaad ki koi dhati qudrat hai.

Maulana Ashiq Ilahi r.a ne is ki taudeeh ki hai aur kaha hai keh is se wali ke mukhtar kull walay aqeeday har giz muraad na liyay jayen.



P.S Some of this info is from Maulana Mohammed Abasoomer's fatwa about Tawassul

[loveProphet]

Wow, how can you write Urdu in the latin script, its soo difficult and time consuming!

Bhery dehr laghti hay!

[AbulAsad]

Allah Taala nay farmaya k main tumhari ShahRag say b Zyada kreeb hon.
Allah Taala nay farmaya k jab maira koi banda mairi taraf aik kadam bharta hay to main us ki taraf 10 qadam barhta hon agar vo chal k aata hay to main dorr k aata hon.
Allah Taala nay farmaya k "Iyaka Naabodo va Iyaka Nastaeen", "Ham Tairi hi ibadat kertay hain or tujh hi say madad mangtay hain"

As Salamu Alykum Bro Hamdusa,
Apne bilkul sahi farmaya aur mein aapki har baat se agree karta hu, par mein chahta hu ki aap apne hi likhe hue ko wapas read kare, jesa ki aapne kaha "Agar Allah ka banda Allah ki taraf ek kadam badata hai to Allah uski taraf dus kadam badata hai" mein yaha aapse ye puchna chahta hu ki "ek" kadam Allah ki taraf ka matlab kya hai?
Fir Apne farmaya ki "Agar Allah ka banda Allah ki taraf chal ke aata hai to Allah ta'ala uski taraf dorr ke aate hai" aap Allah ta'ala ki taraf ek kadam kese badathe hai?
Beshaq hum Allah hi ki ibadat karte hai aur wohi(Allah) dene wali jaat hai.
Par bhai hum musalmano ne kuch cheeze apne hi samaj shaur se samaj li hai aur manne lag gaye hai, hume lagta hai ki hum namaz padh rahe hai to Allah ki taraf kadam bada rahe hai, par kya Allah ko aapki namaz kabool hai? humne Apna system bana diya hai aur Allah ka system bhul gaye hai.

leking kissi aik chees ka asbaat kisi doosri cheez ki nafi ka mojib naheen hota. Agar bila waseela dua ki fadheelat ho gayee, to is ka matlab ye naheen ke kisi ki sifarish naheen lag sakti. Yahan bhi qabil e ghaur ho ke sifarish se kya muraad hai. Jaisey koi dua kare, "ay Allah zaid tera bohot hi qareeb tareen banda hai, us ka taqwa ham sab main ziyada hai, tu us ki apni taraf qurbat ki badolat mujh per asaani farmaa." Is mein waseela banaya gya zaid ko, aur us ki qurbat ka wasta de kar apni khahish ka zikr kiya.

Jesa ki Abuhajira bhai ne aapko samjane ki koshish ki hai mein inse behtar nahi keh sakta, hum wasila unka mangte hai jinhone Allah ta'ala ki raza ke liye raat bhaar ibadat ki, jo kabhi gunah ke nazdeek tak na aaye, jinhone apni zindagi sirf raza-e-ilahi mein laga di, wo log Allah ta'ala ke mehboob bande hai aur hum to gunahgaar hai fir bhi Allah hi se mangte hai bas wasila unka lete hai jinse Allah zyada khush hai beshaq Allah sab janta hai aur nihayat raham karne wala hai.
was salam.