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    Sufi Hijab ideas to irritate Fundamentalist Muslims.
    by Dawoud Kringle

    The concept of a unified HIJAB was introduced by Saudis and few strange groups in Egypt where they tried to introduce a UNIFORM into the Muslim countries. This was due to the influence of the communism into the Arab minds. Mimicing the blue uniform of Mao's china!

    You see the effects amongst the Muslim converst in North America what they call Sunnah Clothing or Hijab is a UNIFORM designed by few with questionable intentions in the long gone Arab world.

    Today in Saudi Arabian men wear a white uniform, no under pants and the WW2 British Special forces head gear SHUMAGH (The reddish patterend scarf) and sandals. None of which the Prophet (sas) wore.

    I challenged the Saudis and took them to their own bookstores where they have books with the photos of their own people from early turn of the 20th century. They were shocked to discover their people wore under pants, hats, fully dressed garbs i.e. several layers of clothing and often no head scarf unless they traveled into the desert.

    The women wore variety of very beautiful outfits as opposed to the black mandatory uniform they wear today.

    More shocking was the fact that their women worked, rode animals, were shepherds carries weapons and could fight like hell


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    Today, any outward sign of piety e.g. Hijab or beard should be worn as ADORNMENTS for those who have been way towards the end of the Path. I find the immediate wearing of the Hijab or beard for the new comers to Islam more harmful than useful.

    Of course there are exceptions as in the case of the African Americans who are in need of a new firm identity and the Hijab and beard is a symbolism for them to steer away from the inner city foul behavior.

    But for an average Muslim immigrant or convert, how about truthfulness, integrity and affection for the neighbors and comradry for the people in general.

    Of course what I say is not welcomed, since it hurts the membership of the organizations that are formed by this Sheikh or that.


    "It must be noted here that Islam did not introduce veiling or seclusion in Arabic countries nor is this indigenous to Arabs. Long before the advent of Islam, veiling and seclusion appear to have existed in the Hellenistic- Byzantine era and among the Sassanians of Persia.

    In ancient Mesopotamia, the veil for women was regarded as a sign of respectability and high status; decent married women wore the veil to differentiate themselves from women slaves and unchaste women.

    The latter were in fact forbidden to cover their heads or hair. In Assyrian law, slaves were forbidden to use the veil. Those caught using the veil illegally were liable to severe penalties. Thus veiling was not simply a mark of aristocracy but also used to distinguish "respectable" women from disreputable ones.

    Successive invasions brought the Greeks, Persians, Mesopotamians and the Semitics in contact. The practice of veiling and seclusion of women appears subsequently to have become established in Judaic and Christian systems. Gradually these spread to the urban upper classes of the Arabs and eventually to the general urban public. "


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    As-salamu 'alaykum sidi,

    Very interesting!
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    salam
    anything about hijab and niqab coming from murabitun members can't be taken seriously, because their shaykh has declared that the niqab is unislamic - in effect haram. and not 1 scholar has ever said this in the whole history of islam, let alone a "sufi" shaykh in our time! subhanallah.

    wassalam


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    Seeing as Every conversation ends in the gutter with your anger and hate for others.

    I suggest you ignore my posts in the future Sahih Baba.

    Walaykum Asalaam
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    Our proof is our People” Shaykh Abdal Qadir as Sufi ( may Allah protect him)


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    Who's this Sufi, Dawoud Kringle.


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    [i would agree with you this time skilly.


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    You clearly have learnt nothing from your Shaykh.

    Read your posts. It takes 2 or 3 and then you speak from your nafs.( There is no tassawuf, so what exactly have you learn from the Tariqah?)Using words only a hardcore brainwashed salafi would use (i cannot tell the difference in your posts).

    Adhab and Etiquette are 90% of our religion, as the Rasul Salalahu alayhi wasalaam said "will weigh the most heaviest on the scales" on the day of Judgement.

    Seeing as you have none.

    My condition remains. I intend to ignore your posts from now, and kindly ask you dont turn any of my posts into a merry-go-round of your insistent bigotry to find fault with other Muslims, in this case the Murabitun - who have a different stance with you.

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    they all do it whether it's hizb at-tahrir or muhajirun or murabitun or whoever - dodging the issue at hand and looking for faults of the questioner:

    "what do you do for islam", "your nafs is talking", "no adab" bla bla bla

    you claim to be following a sufi shaykh who doesn't know fiqh and doesn't know his maddhab.

    wassalam.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ansari_UK View Post
    You clearly have learnt nothing from your Shaykh.

    Read your posts. It takes 2 or 3 and then you speak from your nafs.( There is no tassawuf, so what exactly have you learn from the Tariwah?)Using words only a hardcore brainwashed salafi would use (i cannot tell the difference in your posts).

    Adhab and Etiquette are 90% of our religion, as the Rasul Salalahu alayhi wasalaam said "will weigh the most heaviest on the scales" on the day of Judgement.

    Seeing as you have none. My condition remains. I intend to ignore your posts from now, and kindly as you dont turn any of my posts into a merry-go-round of your insistent bigotry to find fault with other Muslims - who have a different stance with you.

    Walaykum Asalaam


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ansari_UK View Post
    You clearly have learnt nothing from your Shaykh.

    Read your posts. It takes 2 or 3 and then you speak from your nafs.( There is no tassawuf, so what exactly have you learn from the Tariqah?)Using words only a hardcore brainwashed salafi would use (i cannot tell the difference in your posts).

    Adhab and Etiquette are 90% of our religion, as the Rasul Salalahu alayhi wasalaam said "will weigh the most heaviest on the scales" on the day of Judgement.

    Seeing as you have none.

    My condition remains. I intend to ignore your posts from now, and kindly ask you dont turn any of my posts into a merry-go-round of your insistent bigotry to find fault with other Muslims, in this case the Murabitun - who have a different stance with you.

    Walaykum Asalaam
    Asalaamualaykum,

    Well said brother , looks like we are dealing with teenage wannabe scholars who like to spout filth and rubbish to fuel their egos, it wouldent suprise me if baba man is still living at home being the mommies boy ALLAH hu alim, but his responce is always that of a selfish teenager who thinks he knows it all when he does not even know his own backside from his elbow when it comes to fiqh and history, may ALLAH guide him to the right path and not the path of being in a sectarianism that hasnt no community and no Amir.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sahih-baba View Post
    they all do it whether it's hizb at-tahrir or muhajirun or murabitun or whoever - dodging the issue at hand and looking for faults of the questioner:

    "what do you do for islam", "your nafs is talking", "no adab" bla bla bla

    you claim to be following a sufi shaykh who doesn't know fiqh and doesn't know his maddhab.

    wassalam.
    Asalaamualaykum ,

    Your responce is proof that you reply with ones own ego and not ilm and aql.

    Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said,

    "By the One in whose hand my soul is, you will not enter the Garden until you submit. You will not submit until you love one another. Extend the greeting to one another and you will love one another. Beware of hatred, for it is the razor. I do not tell you that it shaves the hair, but it shaves away the deen."
    [ "Al-Adab al-Mufrad " IMAM BUKHARI [ R.A. ]


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