katy, you need to read the whole collection of Hadiths, not only one.Originally Posted by katy
There are 6 major and most authentic collections, 2 of them being the most authentic, like:
1. Sahih Bukhari
2. Sahih Muslim
You can find them anywhere on the net. I hope that helps.
And Al-Anbiya means "The Prophets of God" (plural).
Sister Katy,
I appreciate your knowledge and curiosity to know about our faith, thanks for putting up this topic. Here i tried to answer some of your Quoted replies.
No one is eager to make you accept Islam but to accept the truth, If you really want to clear your misconceptions i recommend you to read Quran, i guess you already did but do it once again and this time for the sake of truth not for the comparison of beliefs between Islam and Christianity.
Why you think Jesus(pbuh) is or can be a son of God?, logically, can you give me definition of God?Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Here is the muslim belief of God:
He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.
I saw that no one gave u clear meaning of sunni and shia
Here what i think,
Both these are sect of Islam which occured during the Caliphate(Leadership) after the Death of Prophet Mohammed(SAW).
Shia belief: Prophet(SAW) recomended the name of Ali(R) as the next caliph, and the leader of islam should be from the family of Prophet(SAW).
Sunni belief: Prophet(SAW) didnt recomended anyone for the caliphate and it should be done through voting, anyone who is capable can become leader of muslim ummah.
Though Ali(R) is the respected 4th Calpih after Abubakr(R), Umar(R), Usman(R).
All the four calpihs are respected and loved by sunnis but shia curse every caliph except Ali(R).
This subject needs another thread for you katy, as i see this thread is going long.
Back to God,
You need to Understand Tawheed(oneness of God) through Islam.
well, hope you got much of the knowledge till now God willing, write back
Peace,
AbulAsad.
His Voice reached from the desert to the whole world, because of him the world is created O' Muhammed ibn Abdullah(SAW) Allah's peace on you and your progeny.
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Hello Katy
Have a listen to this talk by Shaykh Nooruddeen Durkee (an American convert to Islam), entitled "Jesus (PBUH)"Question about the Messiah
In Islam, who is a Messiah, that is, what is the definition of Messiah in Islam.
If I am not mistaken, in Islam Jesus is considered to be the Messiah. Could you give me some verses from the Quran that says that he is the Messiah or implies that he is the Messiah.
http://www.isgr.org/kh121203.ram
it should help.
If you desire Allah to be persistent in granting you the things you love, be persistent in doing the things He loves. —Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal
Thanks for being very honest enough to answer the question.
Much respect!
I am just curious then how do you expect whatever concerns you have about Islam to be alleviated if you yourself have already made your mind up your mind that Islam is wrong?
Biography of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh):
http://comp.uark.edu/~muslim/publica...Al-Makhtum.pdf
It is a long read. But, as you said you are just curious.
Can I ask another personal question, what is your own personal view about the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)? I find it worrying that the only way Christians can overlook the life of Muhammad (pbuh) is by ignoring it or just trying to defame his character.
Take care and all the best
"By Time, Verily Man is in loss... except those who believe, do righteous deeds, exhort one another to truth and have patience." [Surah Asr:103]
"On no soul doth Allah place a burden greater than it can bear..." [Surah Baqarah:2, Verse 285]
--What is Islam? --
salaamun `ala manittaba`-al huda.
This poster, Katy, is accusing God's Prophets (peace and blessings be upon them all) of being zinees (those who are involved in forbidden sexual relationships), mushrikeen (pagans/idol worshippers), and ghaafileen (the heedless), how long will such a deragatory/inflammatory post be allowed to remain on the forum where it being allowed to corrupt the sight and minds of Muslims?
Allah help us!
With peace
I wouldn't recommend that you go and read Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim right away, because they'll be too long and not easy to go through.“if I were to read any of the Hadiths, which ones do you recommend me to read”
So beside the two books I recommended on Hadith, which describe what Hadiths are all about, the Hadith collections, and the methodology etc. you can read this book
The Wisdom of the Prophet: The Sayings of Muhammad -- By Thomas Cleary
To purchase: http://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Prophet...9836031&sr=1-2
I think all the questions are answered by now
Feel free to ask whatever you want.
Peace
Last edited by Egyptian_Muslim; 22-05-2007 at 08:28 PM.
Firstly i hope you're not saying i was being deceptive, and secondly i only quoted that part because it showed that even according to your books the prophets practiced polygamy. In fact according to the jews polygamy is allowed, and they provide evidence for this by quoting such verses as i have quoted from the Old testament(Torah). It's is very sad you christians have such a low opinion of the prophets, instead of saying polygamy was allowed, you say they were sinners or immoral for having multiple wives.. In this case, you are telling us to believe Solomon(a.s) was so lustful that he broke God's command to have only one wife, not once, not twice but 699 times, not to mention the 300 concubines (700 wives). It is utterly ridiculous to suggest that a prophet of God can disobey God hundreds of times regarding the same issue.
. The muslims would never claim the prophets were this disobedient, don't you christians believe the prophets(peace be upon them) were righteous. Even worse is that the bible says solomon(a.s) in his old age turned towards false gods and even adored the false gods:
"When Solomon was old his wives had turned his heart to strange gods, and his heart was not entirely with the LORD, his God[/B], as the heart of his father David had been.
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By adoring Astarte, the goddess of the Sidonians, and Milcom, the idol of the Ammonites,
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Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD; he did not follow him unreservedly as his father David had done."
How can you believe the wives of solomon turned his heart towards false gods. Isn't solomon(a.s) supposed to be a wise prophet, who knows that their is only one true God, and yet his heart strayed towards their false gods
Finally, i'd like to point out that what you have quoted doesn't prove polygamy is disallowed. It proves marrying women from certain nations (which the Lord had forbidden) was not allowed. It does not say solomon(a.s) was wrong to practice polygamy. To this day jewish rabbi's will tell you that the old testament allows polygamy, although i think jews had stopped practicing it centuries ago because of christian influence.
Maybe you should give that some thought.
Just want to make myself clear in case someone misunderstands. I am not saying that solomon(a.s) according to the bible married all those women one by one. He might have married many women at once, i don't know. But my argument still stands, if he was only allowed one wife, how could he go on to marry 700 wives and have 300 concubines. Each of those 699 extra wives were transgressions against God's law (monogamy) according to christian morals.
This will probably be the final time that I will reply for now.Yes all my questions were answered. Thank you.
Now going off topic (I don’t like doing this). I hope I’ve replied to everyone. What is in quotation marks are quotes from the respective person. Sometimes I just typed what they said instead of copying and pasting. Hopefully I didn’t type something wrong. If I misread, misquoted or misrepresented what has being said, I apologize…hopefully I didn’t. Also, what I quoted are phrases from the entire post (it will take too much space if I quoted the entire post)
Reply to the previous posts
To Gajibur
My apologies, sorry for accusing you of being deceitful. In my haste to explaing that we be don’t consider King David and King Solomon to be perfect, I didn’t answer your post and misrepresented what you said. Yes you are right that polygamy was practiced in the old testament, examples would be Jacob and even Moses etc. Any Christian who knows the bible will not say that polygamy wasn’t practiced.
We do not consider our prophets to be impeccable or incapable of sinning, but even when they sinned they always repented and returned to God. We do not have a low opinion of the prophets, they sinned but they then repented and asked for God’s forgiveness. So about them being righteous, yes they were because they always tried to please God.
“…who knows that their is only one true God, and yet his heart strayed towards their false gods”
That is why God was especially angry since he had appeared to Solomon twice before, but yet he sinned..
“How did his ignorant idol worshipping wives influence him, shouldn't it be the other way round considering he's the prophet”
Wise doesn’t equal to being able to convince everyone else the truth. Every prophet of God weren’t able to convinced everyone.
“what you have quoted doesn't prove polygamy is disallowed”, yes you are right
To AbdulQahhar
“illogical and disappointing”
That is your opinion, which I respect. I do not agree, but if I were to be very logical, I would have been an atheist.
“Jesus was before Abraham”
Is used to imply that he is God.
“Jesus wasn’t even mentioned in the Old Testament”
Not explicitly, but there are phrases that implies the existence of the trinity eg:
Gen1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, ...”
I am aware that there are verses that also implies the existence of God the Son, and Holy Spirit. Unfortunately I do not know the Bible by heart to be able to start quoting verses, I would recommend you to speak to someone who knows the Bible well enough to quote and tell where the verses are.
“He cannot be hurt…”
This I disagree with. It implies that when we sin he feels nothing. That isn’t true, when we sin we do hurt him because he loves us.
“….Pls don’t equal the Creator with the creatures”
I never have, him feeling pain doesn’t make him equal to his creatures
“God cannot die”
That’s true he can’t die. As a human he died, but remember he did rise from the dead because death cannot overtake him.
“your god is far away from being perfect”
he isn’t. I can’t find any imperfection on him. A perfect God is incapable of doing wrong and he is almighty and the most powerful. My God is good, powerful, almighty etc; I don’t find anything that makes him our equal. Even when he became human he still proved to be above humans.
“…but that means before creation He was God, and then He took human shape/form?”
Before creature he was God, during creation he was still God, after creation he is God, this includes the time he became human, the present and the future.
“…God is changeable,…” What do you mean by changeable. If God decides something, he can do it. Are you saying the God is incapable of doing something. The only thing he is incapable of doing is sining. He is all powerful; so if he wishes to do something or wants to do something, he can do it (with the exception of sinning).
“It is true that God loves, but it makes no sense to claim that God "sacrificed" an innocent soul like Jesus for all the sinners”
God chose to sacrifice himself because he loves us. The sacrifice isn’t the end of the story, after Jesus’ crucifixion he rose from the dead.
“He doesn't need to make a sacrifice in order to forgive.”
Yes he doesn’t, he is capable of anything he wants. He did it to show us his love. He knew that the sacrifice isn’t the end of the story, there is the resurrection after that.
“you make God injust, highly injust”
This doesn’t make him injust
“what happens to the people who lived before Jesus?”
If they deserved the rewards of heaven, they are in heaven; if they deserved to be in Hell they are in Hell. It depends on if they followed God at that time or not.
“How can Christians claim Abraham was a Christian”
They do?! No, no he isn’t a Christian (The religion called Christianity didn’t exist during that time). He believed in God; if Judaism existed during that time, then I would say he was a Jew.
“See, Islam has answers to all these questions, and no other religion but Islam has them”
I haven’t yet seen it and neither do I agree with it
To AbdulAsad
“Why you think Jesus(pbuh) is or can be a son of God?”
Because the Bible said so (and I have read the articles/discussions/debates on the problems (can’t come up with the right world right now), and it hasn’t convinced me that it isn’t true)
“logically, can you give me definition of God?”
logically? Again, if I were very logical I would be an atheist
Definition? I don’t know if I can give you a definition. To me God is all powerful, eternal, omnipotent, almighty,ever loving and yes he is one.
“I am just curious then how do you expect whatever concerns you have about Islam to be alleviated if you yourself have already made your mind up your mind that Islam is wrong?”
And I ask you, how do you expect whatever questions and concerns you have about Christianity to be alleviated if you yourself have already made your mind up your mind that it is wrong? Truth be told, we can ask that to just about any practicer of his/her faith.
If you are asking me to try to be objective when I read the Quran or learn something about Islam, I have.
“what is your own personal view about the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)? I find it worrying that the only way Christians can overlook the life of Muhammad (pbuh) is by ignoring it or just trying to defame his character.”
I don’t think too much about him. Isn’t Islam mainly supposed to be about God and not Muhammed? Now, I do not ignore him. I do not believe what your prophet said and claimed. I do not believe him to be perfect. If you expect me to call him names because of what he did, I will not; he is a man who followed the customs of his time. To me he is no prophet.
If anyone says, "I love God," but hates his brother, he is a liar; for whoever does not love a brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. This is the commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.--- 1 John 4:20-21
I'm sorry katy for seeing you cannot see the truth.
If you stay with the current belief, Jesus, son of Mary, will be a witness against you on the Day of Judgement. Not only Christians do the greatest injustice against God Almighty, but also a great deal of injustice to his humble servant Jesus, son of Mary, peace be upon him.
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