I dont think this person should be allowed to disrespect the Ambiya `alayhimu salam on a Muslim forum, in the way that she has, even if it is part of her deviated belief.
Sorry if I have offended anyone, but I find such unaccepptable. Tolerance has limits.
Last edited by laughinglion; 21-05-2007 at 10:37 PM.
We are not attacking her religion, at least I'm not. All the questions I posted were to show that the religion of Jesus/Isa, peace upon him, is the religion of Allah, mine and his Creator, and that what Christians have been following since 2nd or 3rd century is not the same religion, but the religion of Paul, the bounty hunter.
I wasn't speaking about you personally, and my objections aren't to WHAT you've written but to WHERE and WHEN.Originally Posted by AbdulQahhar
We are not attacking her religion, at least I'm not. All the questions I posted were to show that the religion of Jesus/Isa, peace upon him, is the religion of Allah
She is asking some questions and wanted answers, so why don't we be specific and don't open other topics?
I'm sorry if I offended you brother, I really didn't mean to.
You didn't offend me Wallahi. Don't worry.I wasn't speaking about you personally, and my objections aren't to WHAT you've written but to WHERE and WHEN.
She is asking some questions and wanted answers, so why don't we be specific and don't open other topics?
I'm sorry if I offended you brother, I really didn't mean to.
Besides giving her answers about Islam, we should invite her to believe in One and Only Lord, Allah
Non-Muslims, those who are sincere, should think, because Allah
etc. I'd say I could write all night long, but don't have much time TBH.
Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him, used to treat patients with the touch of his hands. The word touch is translated in Arabic and Aramaic languages as "Massah." From this word derived the word Messiah.Sorry, no it doesn't. According to AbulAsad, "Messiah means Messenger of God the Almighty", but there are prophets in Islam that fit the description of "Messenger of God" but aren't called Messiah. So what is the definition of Messiah that makes it applicable to only Jesus and not to the others.
sister katy i think if u want the best answers concerning islam and its links with christianity u shud listen to shaykh ahmed deedat's debates with certain christian preachers.....namely jimmy swaggart,pastor stanley, and anis shorrosh....
i certainly had a gud time watching these debates...
About Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, having more than 4 wives. Yes, he had more than 4 wives at a time. But there is a difference. He was allowed only 9 in total in his life time. Whereas, other Muslims can have any number of wives but not exceeding 4 at a time.
His marriages were to teach the community about matters relating to women. Many marriages were done to bring different communities into relationship. One marriage was done to break a misconception.
Sigh, this is long!
To Egyptian_Muslim, all but one question remains, “if I were to read any of the Hadiths, which ones do you recommend me to read”
To laughinglion, who is Ambiya?
To all who answered- Thank you!
Please don’t blame anyone for offending me since I have not been offended, questions are welcomed.
I dislike discussing something other that what this thread is about, but this time I will make an exception and reply to AbdulQahhar’s post. Also warning, this is very long.
First let me talk about the Holy Trinity that most of these questions relate to.
The Holy Trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, three distinct persons but one God. In the words of the Anthanasian Creed "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God…And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal” Confusing?
It is confusing. No Christian will tell you that they completely understand the Trinity. It breaks the law of Mathematics, but in the end God is above human understanding, he is above the laws of Mathematics and Physics therefore it isn’t surprising that there is something about him that seems impossible, we are humans after all. There is a phrase that I like “For God anything is possible”
One place where the Holy Trinity is mentioned is Mathew 28:19 “Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit”
So now, answering your questions
1. How can Jesus be God and son of God at the same time?
Yes he can, Son of God implies Son of God (the Father).
2. Isn't it ridiculous that the Creator of the Universe punishes and humiliates himself?
No, its shows his infinite and unconditional love for us. Anyone is willing to save the life of someone they love or someone who is good, but who would want to sacrifice themselves for someone who always disobeys you, ignores you, hates you, makes you suffer- I wouldn’t. But God loves us so much that he is willing to sacrifice himself, undergo the pain and humiliation, because he loves us in spite of the fact that we rarely show that we love him, knowingly hurt him many times, and sometimes openly hate him. When I think of the crucifixion, I think of God infinite love for me and for us.
God showers us with his uncondititional love, we do not deserve it but he still does. This is why I hate to sin- God love for me is beyond measure, I would hate to disappoint and hurt him.
3. Or prays to Himself, since Jesus did pray?
Jesus prays to God the Father who is God. (confusing? again, this is God, he is beyond human understanding)
4. How come in the whole Bible, not once it is said that Jesus created something? I mean explicitly? Not a single word. I'd expect from the Lord of the Universe to say such a thing. The Creator will surely say so, what do you think?
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I Am”
Another (here the Word refers to Jesus): John 1:1-3 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be”
5. What's the story with the Holy Spirit? Christians have no idea who he is. I mean, if he is God, one of the 3 as Christians constantly claim, what happened to his ability to create? Since according to the Bible, he created nothing.
Holy Spirit is the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. When Jesus ascended to heaven, he promised that the Holy Spirit with come upon them(the onlookers). On Pentecost, the Holy Spirit descended on the disciples and gave them the ability to preach in many languages. There are many other places that the Holy Spirit is referred to.
6. 3 in 1, 1 in 3, etc. who is the "master"? They can't be equal I mean, and yet Cathecism claims so. Somebody has to say "the final word".
No, they are equal.
7. Can you imagine God, may God forgive me, going to toilet? After all those meals I mean, a man needs to go to toilet, like you and me, and Jesus, but how can you imagine that God needs to do that? Why would you worship some one who is so imperfect?
Jesus has both divine nature and human nature. Therefore yes, he would have had to use the toilet. How does this make him imperfect? Jesus went through everything we go through. He was nursed by his mother and he was even tempted by the devil thrice. He was willing to go through this ‘imperfection’(as you call it), because he loves us.
8. God-man, man-God thing. Christians claim that Jesus is either son of God, God himself or both. Which one? How can God be man and God at the same time? I mean, then we are talking about 2 different beings, right? Christians claim, God is 1 in the end, and yet they don't understand the trinity, none does.
Jesus is God, he is Son of God the Father who is God. (confusing? again, this is God, he is beyond human understanding)
9. Why everybody all of the sudden believes what Paul, the bounty hounter on the Christian heads, says after having only 1 tiny little vision on that road to Damascus? And nobody else saw what he saw and yet all of them believe him?
Actually the persons accompanying Saint Paul (called Saul at that time), heard everything.
Saint Paul was previously known as Saul. He was a well know persecutor of the followers of Jesus. He was even the one who consented the execution of the first Christian martyr Saint Stephen. So for him, a persecutor, to claim to have such a vision is surprising.
10. If Mary, mother of Jesus, is God's mother, then she must be more powerful than him, but the Bible hardly mentiones her? Why is that so? Further, Mary had a mother and a father, etc. so what's the story with her parents? Anything divine in them or not?
Mary is the mother of God made man. Jesus existed before she existed. She was chosen to be his mother when he became man. You would hear Catholics call her “Mother of God”, this doesn’t mean that she is above God or existed before him or more powerful than him, it is only used to emphasize that Jesus is God. Mary is the mother of Jesus, Jesus is God so Mary is the Mother of God, but she is no goddess or existed before God, or more powerful him.
Lets be on topic!
God Bless!
If anyone says, "I love God," but hates his brother, he is a liar; for whoever does not love a brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. This is the commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.--- 1 John 4:20-21
May Allahalready had more than 4?
I thank you for your answers, but all of them are very illogical and disappointing. Christians use no logic, no offense, but I realised this. Jesus was a Muslim, the one who truly submits to His Creator. Claims that Jesus was before Abraham for instance don't hold water since Jesus wasn't even mentioned in the Old Testament. How come? And why so? Surely God would have revealed Himself under that name, but He didn't. And about hurting God.... He cannot be hurt; hurt is something specific to created beings, but not to their Creator. Pls don't equal the Creator with the creatures He created. Secondly, God cannot die. You say, he did - as when Jesus (allegedly) died on the cross. So God died and yet He was alive when He died. This doesn't make sense. Also, God's Laws, like laws of nature which were created by God do not affect Him, He is independent. If you claim they do, they your god is far away from being perfect. Laws of nature, physics, like gravity, a need to breathe, eat, etc. cannot apply to God, since He was before every creation. Now you say he was also a man, but that means, before the creation He was God, and then He took human shape/form? Which would imply that God is changeable, which is a ridiculous statement. You cannot claim, not even implicitly, that God changes. A change is something typical for created beings, not for the Creator. And also, you cannot limit God in space-time continuum, but you just did. So, you made God space-time dependent, and you limited Him within a form.
It is true that God loves, but it makes no sense to claim that God "sacrificed" an innocent soul like Jesus for all the sinners? With this statement, you make God injust, highly injust, so you denied His Perfect Justice. Why would a perfectly Just God sacrifice an innocent person for the sake of the sinners? Also, why God needs to sacrifice in order to be able to forgive? He doesn't need to make a sacrifice in order to forgive. Further, what happens to the people who lived before Jesus? What happens to them? How can one justifies "Jesus' sacrifice" for those people? And what happens in general to those people who lived before Christianity, i.e. why would they burn in Hell for not being Christians, for not being able to accept Christianity since they existed before Christianity? Including Messengers of God like Abraham, peace upon him? How can Christians claim Abraham was a Christian, when he lived way before Christianity? He surely couldn't have been a Christian. Do you think he will burn in Hell because of that?
See, Islam has answers to all these questions, and no other religion but Islam has them.
May Allah
Last edited by AbdulQahhar; 22-05-2007 at 01:30 AM.
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