Iranian Shaikh LEFT Shiaism [ENGL.+PERSIAN

[Saad]

According to Maulana Muhsan Raza Farooqi (ex Shia) when he accpeted Islam, his father kicked him out of the house. He said we as Shias dont believe in this present Quran, we belive that real Quran was written by Hazrat Ali r.a. and then it was passed down to different Imams, and at the present its with the hidden Imam. He said there 2000+ Mutawatir ahadees in major Shia books that clearly talks about tahreef in the Quran. He also said we dont believe in other 3 daughters of Prophet s.a.w, only Hazrat Fatima r.a. He also mentioned that Muttah is one of the most desired act in Shiaism. He also said Shia belief is that Hazrat Ali r.a. is superior than all the Prophets except Prophet Muhammed s.a.w. Then he quotes Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jailani r.h and Mujaddid Alf-e-Sani Shaikh Ahmed Sarhindi r.h that Shias are the worst kafirs on the face of earth.

Allamah Kifayat Hussain Naqvi (ex Shia) said that Shias say *Panjtan Paak* or holy five, but Sunnis believe Sab Tan Paak = all Sahabas are pure and holy. He mentions that Hazrat Ali r.a has nothing to do with Shias. In everything they oppose the Ahlel Bayat. He said Kulaini compiled the Shia religion.

[Muhib Ahlul Bayt]

And there are sunnis who have converted to Madhhab Ahlul Bayt. That's not an argument against the sunnis, just as Muslims apostating isn't an argument against Islam.

Grow up children.

[*Ali*]

And there are sunnis who have converted to Madhhab Ahlul Bayt. That's not an argument against the sunnis, just as Muslims apostating isn't an argument against Islam.

Grow up children.

To Grow up ?

When your gurus publish the famous garbage "and then i was guided" in English, French, and other languages, you and your sect are in ecstasy and you all say that it's a great book that talks about a Sunni Scholar (Tijani the ex-Sunni "scholar" without any publications !) who discover the Truth but now when an ex-Shia wants to attest that he renounce to Khumms Scam and religious prostitutes, now we have to grow up ?

Shias are so strange...

[MohammadMufti]

Also, i would like to say to brothers 'khanbaba' and 'Almajlissi' that it might not be all shia's that believe in the tahreef of the qur'an. I remember someone saying that the shia who believe in tahreef are called akbari's and are in a minority amongst shia's. Although i'm not sure about this, so forgive me if i'm wrong

Brother, Akbari (the minority)'s main differenece is their (like us) stress on ahadith over the word of scholars, and the Usoolis essentially differ because they (like blind sheep) put taqleed in the scholars first and ahadith second. I think one of these Shi'a (Syed_Shia) is now essentially Akbari (perhaps not in name) since when I saw him on Shi'a Chat, he is seen actually asking for authentic evidence for Rafidi beleifs (from their books). The Rawafid usually answer, "well the scholars said so, they surely have good reason" or "here's a hadith I saw once on a website" (with no sanad).

So the real difference is their insistance on proof.

[Muhib Ahlul Bayt]

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What a simplistic boy. You are gravely lacking in knowledge, deathpasser, yet you like to make big statements.

[Gajibur]

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What a simplistic boy. You are gravely lacking in knowledge, deathpasser, yet you like to make big statements.

Assalamu alaykum brothers 'deathpasser' and 'Muhib Ahlul Bayt'

Brother 'Muhib' there is no need to insult brother 'deathpasser', if you believe he is wrong about something then just simply correct him. Brother 'deathpasser' has simply told me his opinion of what Akbari's are, if you think he is incorrect then please brother 'Muhib' tell us what Akbari's are. . I would be greatful for your reply, as it would be good to get the definition of an 'Akbari' from a shiite. Allah hafiz

[MohammadMufti]

Assalamu alaykum brothers 'deathpasser' and 'Muhib Ahlul Bayt'

Brother 'Muhib' there is no need to insult brother 'deathpasser', if you believe he is wrong about something then just simply correct him. Brother 'deathpasser' has simply told me his opinion of what Akbari's are, if you think he is incorrect then please brother 'Muhib' tell us what Akbari's are. . I would be greatful for your reply, as it would be good to get the definition of an 'Akbari' from a shiite. Allah hafiz

Brother, no doubt I can always back up what I say about Rawafid from their own sources, if not I would apologize for being misleading. But that is precisely what Akbari Shi'a are as opposed to these taqleedi Usoolis like Muhib here who when he can't refute someone makes attacks on their age or other insulting remarks. If you go on the Akbaris own site, you will see what the problem is they have with people like Muhib:

The reason for us being called by many names like Shia, Imamia, Ithna Ashari, Rafzi, Jaffery, Akhbari is that in the past only those people who used to practice on Quran and Ahlebayt (AS) were called Shia Imamia Rafzi. But, since the start/introduction of Ilm-e-Usool-e-Fiqh and Darayath fil hadees during Abu Hanifa’s period, for which, Imam Jaffer-e-Sadiq (AS) says “My ancestors’ religion (deen) got ruined”, from here only Usooli sect’s foundation was laid who like ‘aama’ practice on kitab (book), sunnath (tradition), Aql (intellect) and ijma (consensus). The harm that happened to us Shias was by these usooli people using Shia Imamia Ithna Ashari Rafzi Jaffery along with their names. But by use of ijhtehad in religion and by support of intellect and consensus (whose founders are sheikhain) brought change in the laws of Sharya and practiced on them and by bringing pressure on momeneen through ijhtehad, made practice on these as obligatory for them when usoolis added Shia Imamia Ithna Ashari Rafzi Jaffery to their names even though they are neither Shia-ne-Ali (AS) nor Ithna Ashari (followers of 12 Imams (AS)) but is one of the sects belonging to muslims.

http://akhbari.org/English/index.htm

There problem with mainstream Rawafid is the Usooli emphasis on following the scholar's and their aql and ijma as opposed to the obvious statements of ahadith and Qur'an.

[Akbari]

Salaams to All,

Brother please note that the minority Shia group you are talking about is called Akhbari, from khabar, and not Akbari. The debate is between Usuli and Akhbari.

As a member of al-Shaykh al-Akbar Ibn Arabi's, rh, tariqa, called the Akbari Tariqa, I worry that this small spelling mistake might lead to confusion. The word Akbari is also used to describe the Sufi teachings of al-Shaykh al-Akbar and his position on many things.

Jazak Allah.

[Sad ibn Abu Waqqas]

And there are sunnis who have converted to Madhhab Ahlul Bayt. That's not an argument against the sunnis, just as Muslims apostating isn't an argument against Islam.

Grow up children.

Who is using this as an argument against Shi'ism? I'm just happy that someone found the truth.

Also, when a Shia converts to Sunnism and reveals what the Shia *really* believe (as opposed to what they say when they are doing da'wa to the Sunnis), it is time to sit up and take notice.

[Sad ibn Abu Waqqas]

Salaams to All,

Brother please note that the minority Shia group you are talking about is called Akhbari, from khabar, and not Akbari. The debate is between Usuli and Akhbari.

As a member of al-Shaykh al-Akbar Ibn Arabi's, rh, tariqa, called the Akbari Tariqa, I worry that this small spelling mistake might lead to confusion. The word Akbari is also used to describe the Sufi teachings of al-Shaykh al-Akbar and his position on many things.

Jazak Allah.

Do you have any information on the Akbari tariqa? Who are the living masters of this tariqa?