need some information refuting the murabitun... i know some stuff about them, but im looking for some articles
jzk
Murabitun
need some information refuting the murabitun... i know some stuff about them, but im looking for some articles
jzk
what exactly are trying to refute?
their ideas. like their 'interest' in european philosophy and the whole thing where they think we need to convert to gold instead of paper money...
Originally Posted by freeman
Assalaamu Aleikum
I've heard and read some shady things about the murabitun but I fail to see how interest in European philosophy is something that can or needs to be refuted.
Nevertheless, at the bottom of the following article (about them) there are links to even more articles:
http://www.livingislam.org/o/dstm_e.html#pa
Fi Aman Allah
The biggest danger, that of losing oneself, can pass off in the world as quietly as if it were nothing; every other loss, an arm, a leg, five dollars, a wife, etc. is bound to be noticed.- Kierkegaard
You need to be very considerate before taking on such an excersise. what your aiming for has the potential you slandering and back-biting many sincere Muslims. If you then intend to take your findings into the public realm you run the risk of commiting a sin that it will be very hard to make tawba from, considering the conditions of tawba where the rights of the slaves of Allahhave been breached.
Should you feel confident enough in run the risk of the above not happening you need to ask a few questions; Are your sources reliable? should your sources be generally considered reliable is what their reporting based on reality (reliable) or based on a biased reading of what is perceived to be reality? Have you approached any of the Murabitun to allow them to explain what ever it is you feel you need to refute?, etc, etc .....................................
................................................Oh Yeah, weren't you the guy who was looking for material to aid you in refuting the Haqqanis? Joker.
Peace
PS. Do you really want to give us the good that will stem from your attack on us?
Asalaam Alaykum,
Pls visit www.shaykhabdalqadir.com or Aisha Bewleys website for information on their fiqh and tassawwuff http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ABewley/
As for Sidi haddad, that is in no way an intellectual refutation (by Allah are you kidding???), in fact my respect for Sidi Haddad drops at his name calling and shouting. Many Ulema of the past say that when an opponents uses instults, slurs and childish language when they have no more evidence left and is an extremely childish way to think /respond back.
The proof of this, and that not all ppl maybe even agree with Sidi Haddad is mureeds of Shaykhs Nazim going to Murabitun Hadrahs, which we have had. So its not as big a deal as its all made out.
Finally, for a complete and utter, total annhiliation of Sidi Haddads arguments on some Maliki Shuyook, particularly the Ghumari Masters (Allah be pleased with them), some of whose pupils are Murabitun (Imaam Wazzani) pls click the link below by Sayyid Muhammad bin Yahya Ninowy. My own shaykh is Abdal Qadir as Sufi may Allah protect him, however i am Hanafi in the Murabitun Tariqah so i get most of my influence, and Hanafi teachings from Shaykh Muhammad Bin Yahya, and had the privelage to meet him in Manchester this year Alhamdullilah.
He utterly blasts his false arguments to the moon, then throws intellectual "flower petals" on him afterwards by poetry, It is a lesson in adhab in itself. In fact i beleive once there was a a conference and Sidi Haddad was there, Shaykh Muhammad kindly tried to approach him about this issue however, apparently at the last minute he had to leave.Shaykh Muhammad bin Yahya Ninwoy al Husayni, was of course the pupil of Abdu Fadl As Siddique al Ghumari rahimahu Allah.
What does this have to do with Sidi Haddad? Well it shows its not only the Murabitun who are safe from his incorrect teachings. This is not a slander of him, but a gentle reminder to put things into perspective and Allah knows best.
http://www.******.com/mediabank/Book%2Ezip
(ps for the link above the star icons need to be replaced with yanabi, mods sorry im not plugging that site just that it is the only one hosting Sayyid Ninowys peice). Umar Ibrahim Vadillo did try his best to have a decent conversation with Sidi Haddad but when language used by the latter is employed, you can hardly blame Sidi Vadhillo for not carrying it on.
As for the gold dinar and dirham thing, the best thing to do to get a fair independant view is to ask a banker, preferably investment one and if he is a kaffir and watch him laugh when you try and justify paper money. if the kaffirs know its a "con" it really shows the desperation some Muslims try to do in defending it puts it well into perspective.
Walaykum Asalaam
Last edited by Ansari_UK; 03-06-2007 at 04:06 PM.
"The Muslim is the one who reforms himself, the Hypocrite is the one who finds constant faults in others" -
Moulana Rumi
“Our proof is our People” Shaykh Abdal Qadir as Sufi ( may Allah protect him)
none of the above is something to refute.
the shaykh seems to have good knowledge of history and politics, although his interpretation of events may be disagreeable to some.
however, there are some unorthodox beliefs (or fiqh should i say) among them, for example:
1. giving bay'a to some unauthorised amir is fard 'ayn and failing to do so equals to death in jahiliyya - following the hadith literally.
2. giving bay'a to an amir is the condition for joining the tariqa
3. only ibn khaldun's view of mahdi is important
4. only shaykh 'illish's over-a-century-old fatwa on paper money is important
5. only 'amal of madina is important
6. zakat is a fallen pillar - that is, it is not legitimately paid these days
7. the niqab is unislamic and a defiance of the messenger of allah sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam
wallahu a'lam
Last edited by sahih-baba; 03-06-2007 at 05:17 PM.
So in essence they're creating a new madhab like the salafi (as they do not even consider the original maliki madhab to be accurate) that overrides all other madhabs?
As-salamu alaikum,
Interesting beginning to a thread: you are looking for material to bolster a position you have already taken.
Abdassamad
In all seriousness sidi, what is the point? If you disagree with something(s) then don't take from them, but why assume the mantle of refutation, especially against other traditional muslims? (and for the record I'm not a follower of Shaykh Abdal Qadir).
If you want to do something good for the Muslims, to protect this deen, then become an 'alim of Shafi'i fiqh or tasawwuf or aqidah. We need that much more than we need warnings and refutations.
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For those who realize that everything is from Allah, everything is the same.
-Jalaluddin al-Rumi
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