I don't know if this point has been made yet, but there is nothing at all in the tone of this review that is at all uncharacteristic of Shaykh Gibril's writings against those who he concludes to be misguided. He just writes like that against those he finds to be misguided, whether they are Murabitun, feminists, Shi'is, or modernists.Originally Posted by Abdassamad Clarke
I see no evidence that the "old wound has not healed".
I don't know if this point has been made yet, but there is nothing at all in the tone of this review that is at all uncharacteristic of Shaykh Gibril's writings against those who he concludes to be misguided. He just writes like that against those he finds to be misguided, whether they are Murabitun, feminists, Shi'is, or modernists.
I see no evidence that the "old wound has not healed".
Asalaamualaykum ,
With due love and respect sidi but also mr haddad is also under serious scrutiny .
No one man is perfect unless he be al Insan ul kamil.
I prefere people of action rather to those who talk about waiting for a promised leader to come and establish the deen for them and save them.
Action most speaks louder than words , we have a great job to do that being the establishment of islam in its fullness with leaders, the days of the usurious world banking elite are numbered and may ALLAH give us all the strenth to do our job ameen.
With much love ma salaama Abdullah Celt Islam.
Asalaamualaykum Sidi ,
It seems in your haste to 'nail' the Murabitun you overlooked the fact that there is an ongoing discussion on this 'review' on another thread http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22985 . And please it is not Imam Malikagainst anyone, it is Gibril Haddad's (who's antagonism toward the Murabitun is evidenced to have clouded his better judgement at times) review of a book written by Imam Yasin Dutton.
Anyway, thanks for the publicity.
With peace
I guess publicity is one way of looking at the subject, i do find it very strange how people come up with these terms like malikism etc i dont know what the problem is here why cant people just communicate with love and adab, but then again some people cannot see themselves as others see them maybes ?ALLAH hu alim.
Ma salaama Abdullah
Please do tell us who those "many sunni scholars" are.
And if he were to ask for a gentle lady in marriage, he would be refused, and when he leaves the world it does not miss him, and if he goes out, his going out is not noticed, and if he falls sick, he is not attended to, and if he dies, he is not accompanied to his grave.
Has anyone read this book? Is it availiable in the UK?
With peace
It is quoted on Amazon today at approaching £60 in hardback. They said they had one copy left, so it seems to have sold alright.
Has anyone read this book? Is it availiable in the UK?
With peace
Abdassamad
Asalaamualaykum Haj Abdassamad ,
Mashallah sounds amazing the book Inshallah i will try trace a copy down as i love to read such things from wonderfull scholars such as Yasin Dutton and yourself also , much love to you and your family Haj , Ma salaama Abdullah Celt Islam
They are the very same scholars that brothers will study with when they go to places like Yemen, Morocco, Mauretania, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and so on; and when I hear what their students report to me of their views on the Murabitun, it is clear many of them would be sympathetic to what Shaykh Gibril has said.
I'm sorry, I didn't keep a register of their names.
Asalaamualaykum Sidi ,
Wow amazing i must say mashallah, i dont mean to be rude at all so please dont take this the wrong way but , if you know that so many scholars share the same veiws of Mr Dr Haddad how come you cannot provide not a single name? Subhanullah , oh well but dear me! didnt you know that all scholars disagree to some extent?
Thats the beautifull aspect of madhabs that they dont all agree on certain issues but what they do agree on is very important indeed Mashallah.
Unity is better than fitna anyday , maybe a little sabr wouldent go a miss here?
With love ma salaama Abdullah Celt Islam
Well brother, I do not know what is so amazing about this. I was reporting my impressions, which were formed over many years through many different conversations and the reading of many different articles. My memory is weak, and so many names do escape me, or become blurred. However, the overall impression that many scholars do disapprove of what the Murabitun are doing in their da'wa remains strong with me, even though I did not document all the individual reports that led to the formation of that impression.
If you really insist that I name one scholar to illustrate what I was talking about, very well. Here is Mufti Ebrahim Desai, one of the leading and most respected Deobandi muftis of our day:
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/questions/1157.htmlAnswer 1157 2000-10-12
The Murabbitun some years ago attempted to propagate the ideologies of Abdul Qadir Al-Murabit. Their belief that Imaam Maalik who they call 'the man from Madinah' is the best and only example to follow from among the four Imaams. In fact, some members went to the extent to discredit Imaam Abu Hanifa, Imaam Shaafée and Imaam Ahmad bin Hanbal (Rahmatullaahi Alayhim). In their attempt to implement strict 'Shariáh Law' like Hudood, etc. failed when certain members were imprisoned. The way adopted by the Murabbitun to a large extent is incorrect.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
It is puzzling that the Murabitun would attempt to implement Shariah Law in a land in which they did not even have the power to uphold such laws, and so in the process became criminals. I hope this is not true. Perhaps you know something about this alleged incident you would like to share with us.
My only point is that Shaykh Gibril is by no means the only Sunni scholar opposed to the Murabitun path, and so his review of Professor Dutton's book need not reflect any lingering personal hostility on his part.
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