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    I know of the Murabitun and Hizb-ut-Tahrir. Are there any other groups?

    And out of curiosity, why do the majority of Sunni scholars seem so silent on this issue, when the Caliphate is a communal obligation?



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    Caliphate is one of the branches of Sharia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khanbaba View Post
    Caliphate is one of the branches of Sharia.
    Right, and it's a communal obligation. We can all agree that it is far more significant than, say, music, or the face-veil, or the lengthy beard, to take three issues that exericse many people here.

    So why are Sunni scholars (Murabitun excepted) so unconcerned with encouraging people towards the re-establishment of the caliphate?



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    Can you shed light on what exactly Murabitun are doing, since I dont know.

    Taliban were one positive step towards it but many Muslims countries turned against them, and were affected by Western Propaganda, so maybe Muslims are not ready for a Caliphate yet. =)
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    Salam alaikoum ;

    Quote Originally Posted by khanbaba View Post

    Taliban were one positive step towards it but many Muslims countries turned against them, and were affected by Western Propaganda, so maybe Muslims are not ready for a Caliphate yet. =)
    I am not so sure that it is a model for most of the muslims in the world even for those ( like me ) who wish to live under an islamic caliphate . Important is to win the heart of the people , not to force them...
    The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "If, through fear of (displeasing) God, tears - even the size a fly's head - fall from any believer's eyes. . .he will be kept away from Hell."

    Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1433


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sad ibn Abu Waqqas View Post
    I know of the Murabitun and Hizb-ut-Tahrir. Are there any other groups?

    And out of curiosity, why do the majority of Sunni scholars seem so silent on this issue, when the Caliphate is a communal obligation?

    As sallamu alaikum

    Good question. One for which I would like an answer as well. I think (based on limited knowledge) that many feel that the Ummah needs to be changed from within in order to actually have that deep meaningful yearning for pleasing Allah Ta'ala.

    However, there are a few other groups (mainly if not exclusively) of the Salafi persuation who see the re-establishment through Jihad Qital.

    Allahu Alam.

    Wa alaikum as sallam


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    Quote Originally Posted by Habib1968 View Post
    Salam alaikoum ;



    I am not so sure that it is a model for most of the muslims in the world even for those ( like me ) who wish to live under an islamic caliphate . Important is to win the heart of the people , not to force them...
    Islamic governemt can force the Sharia laws on the people, if they are not wiling to obey the rules, but yea as I said maybe Ummah is not ready for it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habib1968 View Post
    I am not so sure that it is a model for most of the muslims in the world even for those ( like me ) who wish to live under an islamic caliphate . Important is to win the heart of the people , not to force them...
    Assalamu-alaikum,

    I think as an ummah we should choose to have a caliphate instead of someone forcing it on us. Only then it will succeed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by seeker4ever View Post
    Assalamu-alaikum,

    I think as an ummah we should choose to have a caliphate instead of someone forcing it on us. Only then it will succeed. The role of scholars is to educate us on how important caliphate is and ask us to make it a top concern in our mind and pass the message on to others.
    While it may be preferably and, indeed, necessary for its long term survival, to people to willing accept the rule of the Caliphate, it is not a legal necessity.

    With respect to the Taliban, few know the real situation in Afghanistan during that time.

    The Taliban did some good and did some bad, but those who claim that it was some sort of police state where women were relegated to being second class citizens are off their rocker.


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    salam

    spot on sunni student!

    the other important point is that it is not all about enforcing shari'a on a population, rather how to run the country smoothly and effectively and how to interact with neighbours and enemies.

    muslims seem to know how to veil the women and smash all the bottles of alcohol ...and then what?


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