Which Groups Are Working for the Establishment of the Caliphate?

[jinnzaman]

Akhee, what's your concrete theory, and if it's so amazing why not spread it. To tell you the truth their are fortunate ikhwaan who are repelling the attack of the kuffar, may ALLAAH grant them Jannah. I wish i was of them

Whats so theoretical bout it? The West took over the world by force. It was the absence of the Khilafah and Jihad that allowed them to take over Spain and Portugal and from there, the Native American lands in America and from there to Goa and from there to the Spice Islands. This provided the necessary capital to produce the Industrial Revolution in England which further allowed them to control the rest of the world. If the Muslims had been engaging in Jihad and had fulfilled that obligation, than none of this would've happened. The Islamic resistance all over the Ummah, from North Africa to India to the Spice Islands always revolved around the Khilafah. The second the Khilafah was destroyed, all of a sudden the Muslims were completely powerless and our polities reduced to Crusader client-states. So the only way we have a fighting chance is to establish the Khilafah and engage in Jihad until all of our lands are liberated. Had the Muslims in the past engaged fully in Jihad, colonialism would've never occurred. The problem that we faced back then is the same: we didn't have an organized program for dealing with the West, just like today. Had we worked on a global program for jihad, things would've been radically different.

Thus, the 'Ulema's lack of preaching of Jihad is one of the direct causes of the subjugation of the Ummah, just like it is today. Had America not had a base in Saudi Arabia, the invasion of Iraq would've been difficult. For every base that America builds on Muslim lands, the Ummah becomes more and more subservient and less and less Islamic.




Do you think the mujahideen today are using miswaks to attack the Oppressors or are they using weapons?

May Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) make us both among them. Ameen.

[laughinglion]

The problem is that we aren't properly discussing the problems of the Ummah. No one understands why the West able to attain hegemony over the entire world in the past 200 years. If they don't understand the problem, its unsurprising that the 'Ulema can't provide a solution.

Valid point, that demands careful consideration and reflection from those who read it. (Shame its been made at the end of a 1000 page thread where many wont see it.)

with peace

[Omar HH]

al-Hamdulilah brother. May Allah grant you all that is good and jannah.

Thank you for pointing out my faults just please make du'a that they get corrected, lest I die with a diseased soul.

As for myself, and many others on this forum - I will follow in the footsteps of the 'ullema and projects of traditional Islam such as "Radical Middle Way," and other projects. Wal Hamdulilah.

Lastly, I would like to remind myself first and others that "argumentation even concerning the deen," is of the haram states of the tongue, so let us check our niyyah, all of us.

May Allah give you and all of us more good than we can imagine and save us from evil.

[True Life]

If Jihad and the establishment of the Caliphate are the only real sacrifices.

Then I don't understand why a Talib on the way for seeking on knowledge is on the path of Allah and if he dies on that way he dies as a Shaheed? And why the Prophet (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said that if someone really asks from Allah Shahadah, then Allah grants it him even on his bed?

I'm just trying to make clear, that just because we haven't picked the sword (yet) it doesn't mean we are not striving for this blessed thing. Is maybe a little off, but many have the misconception that these coward versions of Sufis are just afraid of death.

[while on his death-bed] Shaykh al-Hind (ra) opened his eyes for a while and looked up, saying, ”I regret dying on my bed. My desire was to have been on the field of Jihad against the enemy and [that] my body would be shattered in pieces.” http://zakariyya.wordpress.com/2007/...kh-al-hind-ra/

We should look why we lost the Caliphate, let's look into the real problem. The Muslim Caliphs started to become greedy and instead of striving for Allah's pleasure they started hunting loot and booty - not more. The Caliph(ate)s became corrupted because they were lacking Allah's fear. If you spread this again, then the Muslims will regonize the importance of a Caliphate themself and Allah will grant them one.

I think brother Omer is right, our sinful tounge/keyboard is not worth debating on such divine topics. May Allah forgive us our faults and our ignorance. Let's take our Ulema and Akaabir as rolemodels who would sit together with different fikrs, but would avoid discussions on differences.

[laughinglion]

Whats so theoretical bout it? The West took over the world by force. It was the absence of the Khilafah and Jihad that allowed them to take over Spain and Portugal and from there, the Native American lands in America and from there to Goa and from there to the Spice Islands. This provided the necessary capital to produce the Industrial Revolution in England which further allowed them to control the rest of the world. If the Muslims had been engaging in Jihad and had fulfilled that obligation, than none of this would've happened. The Islamic resistance all over the Ummah, from North Africa to India to the Spice Islands always revolved around the Khilafah. The second the Khilafah was destroyed, all of a sudden the Muslims were completely powerless and our polities reduced to Crusader client-states. So the only way we have a fighting chance is to establish the Khilafah and engage in Jihad until all of our lands are liberated. Had the Muslims in the past engaged fully in Jihad, colonialism would've never occurred. The problem that we faced back then is the same: we didn't have an organized program for dealing with the West, just like today. Had we worked on a global program for jihad, things would've been radically different.

Thus, the 'Ulema's lack of preaching of Jihad is one of the direct causes of the subjugation of the Ummah, just like it is today. Had America not had a base in Saudi Arabia, the invasion of Iraq would've been difficult. For every base that America builds on Muslim lands, the Ummah becomes more and more subservient and less and less Islamic.

Do you agree or disagree?


Do you think the mujahideen today are using miswaks to attack the Oppressors or are they using weapons?

May Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) make us both among them. Ameen.

1. I disagree. I feel your analysis is far to simplistic and overlooks a lot of the major contributary factors involved.

2. A case can be made for miswaks being more effective weapons. I guess it depends on who is holding the weapon.

with peace

[jinnzaman]

al-Hamdulilah brother. May Allah grant you all that is good and jannah.

Thank you for pointing out my faults just please make du'a that they get corrected, lest I die with a diseased soul.

As for myself, and many others on this forum - I will follow in the footsteps of the 'ullema and projects of traditional Islam such as "Radical Middle Way," and other projects. Wal Hamdulilah.

Lastly, I would like to remind myself first and others that "argumentation even concerning the deen," is of the haram states of the tongue, so let us check our niyyah, all of us.

May Allah give you and all of us more good than we can imagine and save us from evil.

Ameen.

[jinnzaman]

If Jihad and the establishment of the Caliphate are the only real sacrifices.

Then I don't understand why a Talib on the way for seeking on knowledge is on the path of Allah and if he dies on that way he dies as a Shaheed? And why the Prophet (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said that if someone really asks from Allah Shahadah, then Allah grants it him even on his bed?

I'm just trying to make clear, that just because we haven't picked the sword (yet) it doesn't mean we are not striving for this blessed thing. Is maybe a little off, but many have the misconception that these coward versions of Sufis are just afraid of death.

[while on his death-bed] Shaykh al-Hind (ra) opened his eyes for a while and looked up, saying, ”I regret dying on my bed. My desire was to have been on the field of Jihad against the enemy and [that] my body would be shattered in pieces.” http://zakariyya.wordpress.com/2007/...kh-al-hind-ra/

Another prime examples of emotional rhetoric. No one said that studying the deen wasn't a sacrifice, but it is MUCH EASIER to study the deen then it is to defend the life, honor, and blood of the Muslims. How many people are students of knowledge today as opposed to mujahideen? You can't put the two even in the same category. If engaging in jihad was easy, then everyone would be doing it, but there's literally only several thousand people out of an Ummah of one billion doing it. The students of knowledge on the other hand ... are everywhere.

[jinnzaman]

1. I disagree. I feel your analysis is far to simplistic and overlooks a lot of the major contributary factors involved.

2. A case can be made for miswaks being more effective weapons. I guess it depends on who is holding the weapon.

with peace

1. Its intended to be a brief overview of the major factors of the rise of the West, which was largely due to the accumulation of global capital through force.

2. I'm not bashing miswak. I'm just highly critical of those people who think that Miswak is going to unify the Ummah.

[True Life]

I think all sides and points of views have been made more than clear and proving each other wrong should't be our goal and won't be achieved on an online discussion forum anyway. Let's just make sincere Du'a that Allah Azza Wa Jal puts us on the right path.

[jinnzaman]

I think all sides and points of views have been made more than clear and proving each other wrong should't be our goal and won't be achieved on an online discussion forum anyway. Let's just make sincere Du'a that Allah Azza Wa Jal puts us on the right path.

May Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) give all of us hidayah. Ameen.