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    Quote Originally Posted by Al-Khattab View Post
    less then about 5% of the ummah wake up for fajr salaat and people expect that the ummah wants a Khalifh!!!!!!!!!!

    these people must be living in a dream world, it is more of a obligation to read our salaat and the other fundemntals of our deen and encourage others.

    once the WHOLE ummah is practising Islam, the khalifh will automatically come.

    This is an interesting perspective. Can we always ignore obligations because we want to focus on fundamentals?

    For example, could we say, let's ignore the issue of people listening to music, because it is more of an obligation to read salat?



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    As Muslims we work for the establishment of Islam in and around us.
    Wherever we are we should apply the principles of Islam so that peace and stability are established.

    Each and every action therefore as long as it is sincere and needed in our community is an act which is one of the building blocks to realising a 'caliphate'.

    The mother who takes care of her husband and 5 demanding children is just as much of an 'establisher of the caliphate' as a high-ranking alim who advises a current ruler with the aim of bringing about islamic change.

    We should not fool ourselves into thinking that the 'caliphate' is the mother of all obligations and that it is the number one priority at all times for all muslims. Because it isn't.

    In some communities other issues are at a greater priority right now. This is a sign of our times.
    As laymen we have to build from the foundation up. This is sunnah.
    We can leave any top-end stuff for the real movers and shakers: the ulama, ahlul halli wal aqd, etc.
    By definition, an alim knowing that something is fard will move when the time is right.
    Wisdom and understanding the environment is key.

    Allah will never leave this ummah to stumble around without rightly-guided ulama.
    Whether or not we have contact with these rightly-guided ulama is another thing.

    It's a big discussion in a way, but i must go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Al-Khattab View Post
    less then about 5% of the ummah wake up for fajr salaat and people expect that the ummah wants a Khalifh!!!!!!!!!!

    these people must be living in a dream world, it is more of a obligation to read our salaat and the other fundemntals of our deen and encourage others.

    once the WHOLE ummah is practising Islam, the khalifh will automatically come.
    As-salamu 'alaykum,

    Why is it that you think it's EITHER "get people to pray" OR "working to re-establish the Khalifate"?

    As sidi Abdullah (celt islam) mentioned, the Murabitun have established flourishing communities, where people pray, do dhikr, learn the Qur'an and fiqh and establish the Deen AS WELL as work for re-establishing the Khaliphate. In fact these communities are part in the "getting people ready" process.

    As shaykh Abdalqadir as-Sufi said,

    "The Murabitun do not have a dialectic. We have people and prayer. They are our argument and our proof."
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    salam
    the duties of a muslim are 2, according to shaykh 'abdallah bn bayya (and probably all traditional ulema):

    1. learn the states of the heart and practise purfication of the nafs
    2. learn the rules of correct 'ibaba and practise it.

    i don't know what else a lay muslim can do to re-establish a political system for muslims!!!


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    My understanding of the work of Shaykh `Abda'l-Qadir, Allah bless and protect him and benefit us by him, and the Murabitun, Allah help and support them and grant them success in Your way, is that we do not, striclty, work for the establishment of khilafah. Our efforts tend to focus on dzikr of Allah, this entails the study and implementation of the Deen of Allah to the best of our abilities, and includes but is not restricted to; calling the Muslims to establish the fundamentals which will aid in establishing functioning communties of individuals that have a degree of (leading to total) autonomy from kafir institutions; calling the non-Muslims to Islam. These two preceding aims are supported by a working understand of kufr as it is presently manifest in order to 'speak to people according to their understandings'. Of course if these efforts meet with any success, with the help of Allah, a critical mass will be formed that will necessitate the 'election' of a khalif.

    A corolloary of our efforts are that should a khalif arise at any time or any place we have people and communities that are in a position to act in unison in his support. In short our efforts could be termed as a 'bottom-up' approach to the reactivation of khilafah.

    And tawfiq is with Allah

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    salam
    i don't think any muslim can disagree with what you have said.
    and yet there are many questions which arise...

    * why "murabitun"? why not the fuqara of shaykh 'abdaqadir?
    * why imam malik and madina only? - you mentioned implementing the Deen of Allah - the deen includes the other 3 imams and their followers.
    * we know about the ulema - where they studied, what they studied, how many years, and about their public ijaza. why don't we know anything about influencial murabitun?

    i guess these will never be answered, because there are no answers.


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    My understanding of the work of Shaykh `Abda'l-Qadir, Allah bless and protect him and benefit us by him, and the Murabitun, Allah help and support them and grant them success in Your way, is that we do not, striclty, work for the establishment of khilafah. Our efforts tend to focus on dzikr of Allah, this entails the study and implementation of the Deen of Allah to the best of our abilities, and includes but is not restricted to; calling the Muslims to establish the fundamentals which will aid in establishing functioning communties of individuals that have a degree of (leading to total) autonomy from kafir institutions; calling the non-Muslims to Islam. These two preceding aims are supported by a working understand of kufr as it is presently manifest in order to 'speak to people according to their understandings'. Of course if these efforts meet with any success, with the help of Allah, a critical mass will be formed that will necessitate the 'election' of a khalif.

    A corolloary of our efforts are that should a khalif arise at any time or any place we have people and communities that are in a position to act in unison in his support. In short our efforts could be termed as a 'bottom-up' approach to the reactivation of khilafah.

    And tawfiq is with Allah

    with peace


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    Quote Originally Posted by laughinglion View Post


    My understanding of the work of Shaykh `Abda'l-Qadir, Allah bless and protect him and benefit us by him, and the Murabitun, Allah help and support them and grant them success in Your way, is that we do not, striclty, work for the establishment of khilafah. Our efforts tend to focus on dzikr of Allah, this entails the study and implementation of the Deen of Allah to the best of our abilities, and includes but is not restricted to; calling the Muslims to establish the fundamentals which will aid in establishing functioning communties of individuals that have a degree of (leading to total) autonomy from kafir institutions; calling the non-Muslims to Islam. These two preceding aims are supported by a working understand of kufr as it is presently manifest in order to 'speak to people according to their understandings'. Of course if these efforts meet with any success, with the help of Allah, a critical mass will be formed that will necessitate the 'election' of a khalif.

    A corolloary of our efforts are that should a khalif arise at any time or any place we have people and communities that are in a position to act in unison in his support. In short our efforts could be termed as a 'bottom-up' approach to the reactivation of khilafah.

    And tawfiq is with Allah

    with peace

    Asalaamualaykum Sidi ,

    You made some good points here about the Fuqara of Shaykh Abdal Qadir as Sufi and what they are doing Fisabilillah.

    I also liked what you said about the muslim communities of the Murabitun being in a position to act in unison in support of a khalif if one arises in our time , i also think many other wonderful muslim communities would also feel the same Inshallah.

    With Love ma salaama Abdullah


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    Working towards the establishment of Khilafah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadh_Khan View Post
    Working towards the establishment of Khilafah!

    http://www.tanzeem.org/


    Alhamdulillah you're back sidi

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