New Muslim praying

**biscuitcrumbs** · 22-06-2007, 05:31 PM

Salams,

On behalf of someone else, can a new Muslim perform salaah without the knowledge of reciting the Quran and having memorized some ayats?

**Revert** · 22-06-2007, 07:26 PM

Salaams

forgive me for not having the correct source but I read on a respected website that if the fardh actions are done and they recite:

Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa hawla wa la quwwata illa Billaah (Glory be to Allaah, praise be to Allaah, there is no god except Allaah and Allaah is Most great, there is no god except Allaah and there is no power and no strength except with Allaah).”

until they get the Quranic verse memorized. I thin it was from a Hadith. Again i apologise for not having the soiurce maybe someone will recognise this and find the source insha'llah.

**Devoted** · 23-06-2007, 02:54 AM

Well I don't know about whether it will be accepted(unless maybe u can learn the meanings of them in english). But you might still wanna "practice" it. Get some books on how to do it, with the transliteration and all. Then if you have the chance listen to some audio of it so that you can memorize it better.Since you are new you can learn the short versions of some of the words of supplication. It doesn't really matter whether you're new or not actually. For example, a lot of the sites that teach salah teaches 'subhana rabbiyal azim' during ruku. I was taught 'subhana raibbiyal azimi wabihamdi'. So actually there are shorter versions which I think you can learn since its easier to memorize. All the best bro

**alfatiha** · 23-06-2007, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by biscuitcrumbs

Salams,

On behalf of someone else, can a new Muslim perform salaah without the knowledge of reciting the Quran and having memorized some ayats?

The only Quran ayat that needed to be memorized during prayer is al Fatiha.

Allah will make it easy if he/she tries. Other hardest part probably would be Tahiyyat and Salawat.

This link show how to pray according to Shafi'i methodology.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ight=shafi%27i

**Devoted** · 23-06-2007, 05:53 AM

Woo there you go haha.

**Revert** · 24-06-2007, 03:04 AM

It seems that what I said was correct according to the Maliki prayer manual if you need the proof insha'llah you can find the manual on Lampostproductions site.

Obviously its advisable that they learn Al fatiah ASAP. FInd them a good english translation and a simple arabic transliteration for now. Its what I did and it worked wonders.

**Abu Affan al-Hanafi** · 25-06-2007, 11:16 PM

Assalaamu Alaikum

According to Imam-e-Azam Abu Hanifah(raheemahullah) one can recite in Persian. The position of Imam Shaybani(raheemahullah) is that you can recite it in your mother tounge until you have memorised sufficient to offer your Salaah. Hence the Hanafi position is that until you are able to pray in Arabic you can do so in your mother tounge.

Allahu Alam

**biscuitcrumbs** · 02-07-2007, 07:04 PM

Salams,

Ok, thanks all. Is the Hanafi madhab the only one, which states that a person can say their prayers in the mother tongue or does it hold same for the other madhabs? (plz give reference)

**Abu Affan al-Hanafi** · 02-07-2007, 09:45 PM

Assalaamu Alaikum
Yes the Hanafi Madhab is the only that accepts this.
The Shafi'i Madhab says you should do tasbeeh instead if you havn't memorised anything, but that if you have a Qur'an you can recite by reading from it in prayer. But according to Abu Hanifa it would invalidate the prayer. So it comes down to what Madhab you choose to follow.

I don't have any references here, I'm sorry. Maybe some other brother or sister can provide you with that. But this is what i have gotten from scholar.

And Allah Knows best.

**Amina_Melbourne** · 03-07-2007, 09:52 AM

I am also a revert and found that it took me a little while to learn to pray. I bought a children's book from the bookstore near me and first practiced the movements of the prayer. I then started to pray in English first. With one book in my hand and the other performing the movements.

After having memorised the English (and I think this is an excellent way to start becauase what you say out loud starts to mean something to you) I had another sister teach me, little by little the arabic. First I learnt the Fatiha and then some little bits here and there.

While I offer no Quarnic verse to prove this is an acceptable way to learn to pray, I believe that God is all merciful and would be thrilled that I had reverted to Islam and wanted to pray and glorify him.

God bless you and welcome to Islam, the truth to life.