Non-Muslim literature on Islam states that Sufis take "La Illaha Il Allah" even farther to say nothing exists except Allah. I think they are talking about wajdat al-wujud.
Is this a correct belief?
What does the Ashari-Maturidi view state?
"Nothing exists except Allah" Deviant belief? (no Salafis or Shi'a please)
Non-Muslim literature on Islam states that Sufis take "La Illaha Il Allah" even farther to say nothing exists except Allah. I think they are talking about wajdat al-wujud.
Is this a correct belief?
What does the Ashari-Maturidi view state?
I don't know who said that and why and what is the explanation of it. "La Ilaha" simply means 'No God'. Islam teaches us there is no God, there is no one worthy of worship, there is no creator, PERIOD. After we realize that we are told, 'IllAllah' except Allah. Allah is our Rabb, Allah is our Creator. Also, Allah Kareem's zaat is so great that the existance of 'alam-e-khalq has no value. May be those Non-Muslims misunderstood that.Originally Posted by Ohossino
Wallahu 'Alam
Actually, la Maujood illAllah is due to ghalaba-e-Haal, it's when a person is in the state of a particular emotion. I think this has been answered at Shariahboard.com , but just to clarify,
When Rasoolullah( SallAllahu Alaihi wasallam) prayed to Allah in the battlefield of badr , that "If you do not help these people, there will not be a person calling your name till qiyamah". This is called ghalaba-e-Haal; because Rasoolullah(SallAllahu Alaihi wasallam) had firm faith, that Allah will help Him, but due to the effect of emotions in his prayers , he called upon Allah (SWT).
There can be different interpretations for it. Just remember, most of the sayings that are made "beleifs" of the Sufiyah, are actually unappropriate interpretations from their poetry. In reality, "la maujood illAllah" means "la maqsood illAllah"(none is our goal except Allah). Speaking logically, the Wujood(existence) of Allah (SWT) is the only real existence, every other existences are merely illusions, and will end.
I hope that clears the point,
wassalaam,
Usman
پڑھ پڑھ عالم فاضل ہویا کدے اپنے آپ نوں پڑھیا نہیں
جا جا وَڑدا مندرمسیتی کدی نفس اپنے وچ وَڑیا ای نہیں
لڑدا ایں روز شیطان نال کدی نفس اپڑے نال توں لڑیا ای نہیں
بلھے شاہ اسمانی اُڈدیاں پھَڑدا ایں جہڑا گھر بیٹھا اونوں پھڑیا ای نہیں
بُھلےؔ شاہؔ
salams
in terms of aqida, nothing but Allah has a logically necessary existence (wajib al-wujud). Something logically necessary is that which one cannot logically imagine being any other way. For example, 2 + 2 = 4, because of the way 2, +, = and 4 are defined. Everything else has a contingent existence - it's existence is predicated (dependent or conditional) upon the existence of:
1. an Originator of its existence
2. a place for existence
3. a time of existence (and thus a preceding time of non-existence)
4. a Preserver or Continuer of its existence.
Allah is free from all of the above. He alone exists by Himself, through Himself and with Himself. The meaning of Allah (as well as some of his attributes such as al-Qayyum and as-Samad) was defined by Imam Sanusi and those who came after him as, 'that which is dependent upon absolutely nothing and that absolutely everything is absolutely dependent upon.' ie: The Absolute Existence.
This is the way that the Sufi understandings of wahdat al-wujud are correctly interpreted as explained by their masters. However, it is clear that this is a statement that can and has been misunderstood - ie taken in its literal sense - by many people; and that has actually led astray entire nations. Matters that concern Allah have to be dealt with through extreme caution, for the danger of applying our limited, mortal understandings of language to the Infinite and boundless being of Allah Most Exalted is an everpresent danger. According to some scholars, this is what the hadith, 'there is a type of shirk I fear for my Umma that is more hidden than a black ant crawling on a rock on a dark night,' refers to.
la maujuda ilallah is thus a statement - though true - that is best uttered and discussed in the gatherings of the ulama and the suhba of the Sufis, where such misunderstandings and confusions can be addressed. As the arabs say, 'the food of adults is poison to young children.' May Allah keep us safely away from both extremes, to the middle way of the community of our master Muhammad, peace and blessings upon him and his family.
was salam
MashaAllah, and aameenla maujuda ilallah is thus a statement - though true - that is best uttered and discussed in the gatherings of the ulama and the suhba of the Sufis, where such misunderstandings and confusions can be addressed. As the arabs say, 'the food of adults is poison to young children.' May Allah keep us safely away from both extremes, to the middle way of the community of our master Muhammad, peace and blessings upon him and his family.
پڑھ پڑھ عالم فاضل ہویا کدے اپنے آپ نوں پڑھیا نہیں
جا جا وَڑدا مندرمسیتی کدی نفس اپنے وچ وَڑیا ای نہیں
لڑدا ایں روز شیطان نال کدی نفس اپڑے نال توں لڑیا ای نہیں
بلھے شاہ اسمانی اُڈدیاں پھَڑدا ایں جہڑا گھر بیٹھا اونوں پھڑیا ای نہیں
بُھلےؔ شاہؔ
Example #2 -- Slippery Sufic Phrases
Another example pivots around phrases like "I see Allah in everything" and "I see Allah, and I don't see anything in existence except for Allah".
According to a group of people who claim to be associated with the Hanbalis and the Salaf, these phrases constitute shirk, namely associating Allah with His creation or the concept known as unity of being (wahdat al-wujud).
But a quick flip through a book usul al-fiqh in the Hanbali mathab shows that there is nothing wrong with these phrases, since they fall under the topic of majaz, a concept intrinsic to the Arabic language. Both of these phrases have an explanation that fully conforms to Arabic style.
As for the first phrase, it goes back to Allah Most High being the cause for everything to exist, and so it means: "I see everything, and I used it to point me to Allah." (The technical term for this is al-tajawaz bi-l-`ullah `ala `an al-ma`lul. See Ghayat Al-Saul, p110, or any other basic book of usul.)
As for the second phrase, it goes back seeing Allah's influence which point the observer back to Allah. (The technical term for this is al-tajawaz bi-l-muathir `an al-athr. Ibid., p111.)
So really, the person who claims to be affiliated with the Salaf and the Hanbalis should learn the basics of usul al-fiqh before voicing any criticism on the issue. Of course, if the critic denies majaz itself, that's a whole different issue.
And Allah knows best.
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Well i don't think anyone argues that remembering Allah by looking at his creation is wrong.Like if i see my children and this reminds me of Allahs power of creation,nothing wrong about it.
However saying that everthing in world is in essence same as Allah is wrong.Bcoz Allah says
"There is nothing like unto him"
I am bi sceptic about the statements that i often hear from some brothers that these things should only be discussed among gatherings of Sufiya.While i often find them discussing among themselves(that is who ever beleives in them) but when someone puts up question it is said that this should not be discussed among ordinary people.
Its better to Err on the side of caution when it comes to Tawheed.
There is no doubt in Ya Allah Madad
The gatherings of the ulama and the suhba of the Sufis I know do not ever say that nothing exists apart from Allāh, actually they warn against such phrases. Such statements have not base in Qur'ān, in hadīth, in the tradition of our scholars nor our sufi masters.
I remember sheikh Muhammad alHāmid, Hanafi mujtahid and Naqshbandi master, warning against strange statements attributed to Sufis, to consider them to be "shatahāt" (words pronounced while intoxicated and unable to control their earthly minds) or forged.
I cannot remember reading any sufi statement that nothing exists apart from Allāh in the Risālah of Imām alQusayriyy or in the "Ta^arruf" of alKalābādhi.
'the food of adults is poison to young children.' May Allāh keep us safely away from both extremes, to the middle way of the community of our master Muhammad, peace and blessings upon him and his family and may he keep away from the name of Sufism what has nothing to do with it.
So is it correct to say "La Mawjooda Ilallah"? Because at our weekly Dhikr gatherings, the person who leads the Dhikr says this at regular intervals when doing the Tasbeeh of "Illallah".
"People are asleep when they're alive, they're awakened when they die" - Sayyidina Ali.
No it is not correct to say "lā mawjūda 'illa-llāh" for it means "nothing exists apart from Allāh".
Allāh says in the Qur'ān that He created everything, by saying this He asserted the existence of creation. Allāh exists and creation exists, the latter depending totally on its Creator.
The belief of Sufis is in no way different from that of Sunnis who are not in a Sufi order, neither in public nor in secret, neither at the bottom of spirituality, nor at its peak.
Protect yourself brother.
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