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    Assalamualaikum

    1)the plural of bayt is buyut and abyat, what is the difference between these two plurals?

    2) what connection does the word sikkeen (knife) has with its root word sakana?

    3) what is the difference in meaning of

    زيد قام
    and

    قام زيد

    4) what is the difference in meaning of

    أزيد قائمand

    هل زيد قائم

    5) in the quran (in ayat related to law), does the fact that there is a fatha at the end of a noun and damma at the end of another noun have any thing to do with the legal status of a particular hukm, if yes then what?

    6) why are water taps in modern Arabic know as hanafiyya?

    7) what is the origin of the word bustan (garden)?

    8) which ma'rifa (from the seven marifas) is known as the a'raful ma'arif?

    9) what is tanazu filan تنازع فعلان and is there any example of it from the quran

    10) and last of all what is the linguistic origin of the word ism, and which debate in aqida is based on this linguistic origin?

    get those brain cells working

    best wishes

    wassalam
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    Last edited by Mansy; 25-08-2007 at 11:47 PM.
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    This universe is nothing the Tablet and the Pen are yours


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    1. Plural of Bayt is Buyut but Abyaat is Plural of the plural. As for Qawl is Aqwaal and plural of that is Aqaweel. this is called Jam' ul Jam'.

    2. Sikkeen is used to give the Mazbooh an eternal Sakeenah; and that is Maut. (Sakana comes in the meaning of becoming calm, like when we say Sakan al-Mataru The rain stops or calmed down; this is also in the meaning of diying out. Sakan ar-Reeh i.e The wind died down; But when it is used as Sakan al Jism.. then it mean that the body stopped its motion. And this is what the mazbooh does, it stops in motion. This is also why some said that it provides a complete rest to the body with death)

    I did the two.. show I keep answering the remaining.. I like these questions.. I will have to do some looking up ..



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    Quote Originally Posted by abuhajira View Post


    1. Plural of Bayt is Buyut but Abyaat is Plural of the plural. As for Qawl is Aqwaal and plural of that is Aqaweel. this is called Jam' ul Jam'.

    Jama muntahl jumu is the jama taksir after the alif of taksir of which there are two extra letters such as rasaa'il and aqaa'id, or three extra letters the middle of which is saakin such as masaabeeh and danaaneer.
    The seeghas of jama muntahal jumu are:

    mafaa'il, mafaa'eel, fawa'il and fawaa'eel.

    aqaaweel is jama ul jama because it has three letters after the alif of taksir with the middle one being saakin, however aqwaal is not jam' ul jama, and since abyaat is on the same pattern as aqwaal therefore this is also not a jam' ul jama, therefore maulana your answer is incorrect, try again

    wassalam
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    This universe is nothing the Tablet and the Pen are yours


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    I couldnt believe I overlooked this nice one..

    Bayt with pl. Buyutun / Buyutaat is for house , room etc.

    Bayt with pl. Abyaat / Abayeet is for prose, couplet or Ash'aar. The pl. is on scale of Af'aal as for As-saif pl. As-yaaf.

    Is that correct?



    P.S Pls no calling me Maulana.. I am not a grad.. inshAllah one day..hey that also give me a chance to be wrong :P


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    Assalamu-alaikum,

    6) why are water taps in modern Arabic know as hanafiyya?

    Had read this a few weeks back:
    "When taps were invented, the scholars held that wudū' (ablution) must only be performed using still water, and that running water coming through pipes from a tap may not be used to do wudū'.

    The Hanafīs then looked into the matter and ruled that it was permissible to perform wudū' using water that came from a tap. And so to this day, the tap remains the namesake of the Hanafīs."

    Source: http://arabicgems.wordpress.com/2006...te-to-hanafis/
    Last edited by seeker4ever; 27-08-2007 at 02:32 AM. Reason: .


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    4. what is the difference in meaning of

    أزيد قائمand

    هل زيد قائم
    There is no difference in the meaning. The difference would only come if in the sentence with Hamza Istifhaamiya, a Mu'aadil is brought after the sentence. In which case the sentence will mean A` Zaidun Qaimun Am Ahmed (Is Zaid standing).

    As is there is no difference since both Hamza and Hal are being used for Tasdeeq.

    am I correct ??



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    Quote Originally Posted by seeker4ever View Post
    Assalamu-alaikum,

    6) why are water taps in modern Arabic know as hanafiyya?
    Assalamualaikum bro, look at my answer in the post below for the specifics.

    http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12724

    wassalam
    کي محمد سے وفا تو نے تو ہم تيرے ہيں
    يہ جہاں چيز ہے کيا، لوح و قلم تيرے ہيں


    If you are loyal to Muhammad (peace be upon him) we are yours
    This universe is nothing the Tablet and the Pen are yours


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    Quote Originally Posted by abuhajira View Post




    There is no difference in the meaning. The difference would only come if in the sentence with Hamza Istifhaamiya, a Mu'aadil is brought after the sentence. In which case the sentence will mean A` Zaidun Qaimun Am Ahmed (Is Zaid standing).



    Assalamualikum this is also correct, but this is to do with the function of the harf and not its meaning. Have a look at the balaagha books, its something to do with tasdiq and tasawwur and then get back to me.

    Ma sha' Allah, keep up the research

    wassalam
    Mansur

    p.s. did you see my reply to your dhahir vs majaaz post?
    کي محمد سے وفا تو نے تو ہم تيرے ہيں
    يہ جہاں چيز ہے کيا، لوح و قلم تيرے ہيں


    If you are loyal to Muhammad (peace be upon him) we are yours
    This universe is nothing the Tablet and the Pen are yours


    (Allama Iqbal, Bang-e-Dara: Jawab-e-Shikwa)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansy View Post
    Assalamualikum this is also correct, but this is to do with the function of the harf and not its meaning. Have a look at the balaagha books, its something to do with tasdiq and tasawwur and then get back to me.

    Ma sha' Allah, keep up the research

    wassalam
    Mansur

    p.s. did you see my reply to your dhahir vs majaaz post?


    Actually I answered keeping the quality of tasdiq and tasawwur in mind. Since without the mu'aadil the both (Hamza and Hal) come for Tasdiq. When the Mu'aadil is brought with Hamza Istifhamiya, then only does it come for tasawwur.

    However, I think without the Mu'aadil, Hamza still has the ability to come for tasawwur, in which case we will have to see the siyaaq of the question and then only can we determine the accurate meaning of the sentence.



    P.S I answered there...


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    7) what is the origin of the word bustan (garden)?
    Bustaan is from Farsee word Baustaan. Baustaan is a Murakkab of two words. Bau and Staan. Bau means fragrance and Staan has two origin. One is again farsee which means an "area of collecting". Which would mean Bustaan is "An Area of collecting Fragrance"

    the other origin for Stan is Sanskrit word Sthaan. Which means a place of living or residence.. So Bustaan then would mean a place of residence of fragrance.

    Bustaan was adopted into Arabic and given the meaning of a garden because it is where one can find fragrances. Its plural is Basateen like Shayateen OR Basatoon like Shayatoon.



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