The resting place of Rasulullah (saw) more sacred than...?

[lubna]

Assalamoalykum all
what are you talking about brothers! how can grave of our beloved prophet be more sacred than kaabah? if it was then it would have been the obligatory part of hajj to visit the grave.
if you love prophet muhammad SAW so much then you will show your love by adhering to every word and action of him, and not to his grave. yes you should go and visit it when you go for hajj, and yes it is of great importance to have the love of muhammad SAW in the most intense form, but please dont act like you are grave worshiping.i have heard some people even tried to do sajda to prophet muhammad's SAW grave....astaghfirullah, though i find it hard to beleive.
may Allah guide us all to the truth and keep us safe from the traps of shytan Ameen
wassalam
lubna

[faqir]

Assalamoalykum all
what are you talking about brothers! how can grave of our beloved prophet be more sacred than kaabah?

Is Rasul Allah salallahu alayhi wasalam not the best of creation?

[muslim786]

Assalamoalykum all
what are you talking about brothers! how can grave of our beloved prophet be more sacred than kaabah? if it was then it would have been the obligatory part of hajj to visit the grave.
if you love prophet muhammad SAW so much then you will show your love by adhering to every word and action of him, and not to his grave. yes you should go and visit it when you go for hajj, and yes it is of great importance to have the love of muhammad SAW in the most intense form, but please dont act like you are grave worshiping.i have heard some people even tried to do sajda to prophet muhammad's SAW grave....astaghfirullah, though i find it hard to beleive.
may Allah guide us all to the truth and keep us safe from the traps of shytan Ameen
wassalam
lubna

Dear Sister:

According to Ijma, as brother Salman has pointed out, the Prophets grave is more blessed than the Kaabah and the Arsh.

[faqir]

salam , sister Here is the answer. since you are Hanafi also, you will see what they say:

According to the consensus (ijma’) of all the scholars, the piece of land on which rests the blessed body of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) is more virtuous than anything and everything which includes the Ka’ba and the throne (arsh) of Allah Most High.


The great Hadith scholar and Hanafi jurist (faqih), Mulla Ali al-Qari (Allah have mercy on him) states in his al-Maslak al-Mutaqassit fi al-Mansak al-Mutawassit, a commentary on Imam al-Sindhi’s Lubab al-Manasic (aka: Manasic Mulla Ali al-Qari):


“All the scholars agree on the fact that the most virtuous of cities are the cities of Makkah al-Mukarramah and Madina al-Munawwarah, Allah increase them in honour and respect. Then the scholars differed as to which one of the two is more virtuous…Some stated that Makkah is more virtuous than Madinah and this is the opinion of the three Imams (m: Abu Hanifa, Shafi’i and Malik), and has also been narrated from some Companions (Allah be pleased with them). Others stated that Madinah is more virtuous than Makkah and this is the opinion of some Maliki scholars and those who followed them from the Shafi’i school. It was said that this was also narrated from some of the Companions (Allah be pleased with them). It is possible that this was during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) or it was for those who migrated to Madinah from Makkah (muhajirun). Another (third) opinion states that they are both equal but this opinion is unknown, unrelated and incomprehensible. It seems that those who held this view saw the contradiction between the actions of the Ulama and the contradiction in the proofs, thus opted to remain silent (m: and not hold one more virtuous over the other).


However, the above difference of opinion is with regards to other than the blessed grave of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and the Ka’ba, for Ka’ba is more virtuous than Madinah with the exception of the Prophet’s (Allah bless him & give him peace) grave according to all the scholars. Similarly, the blessed grave of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) is more virtuous than Masjid al-Haram without any difference of opinion among the scholars. So much so that the majority of the scholars (jumhur) have stated that, the piece of land on which rests the blessed body of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) is the most virtuous of lands on the face of this earth by the consensus (ijma’) of all the scholars…even more virtuous than Ka’ba…and the throne (arsh), as some of them have explicitly mentioned.


Thus, Qadhi Iyadh and others (Allah have mercy on them all) have related the consensus of the Ummah on the fact that the land on which lies the blessed Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) is more virtuous than even Ka’ba, and that the difference of opinion among the scholars is besides the grave.” (Manasic Mulla Ali al-Qari, p. 531-532)


Qadhi Iyadh al-Maliki (Allah have mercy on him) states:


“There is no difference of opinion (la khilaf) in that the grave of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) is the most virtuous land on earth.” (al-Shifa’ bi ta’rif huquq al-Mustafa, p. 595)


The great Hanafi jurist (faqih), Imam al-Haskafi (Allah have mercy on him) states:


“And Makkah is more virtuous than Madinah according to the preferred opinion with the exception of the land on which rests the blessed body of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace), for that is virtuous unrestrictedly (mutlaqan), even more than Ka’ba, Arsh and the Kursi.”


Allama Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) also agrees with the above statement of Imam al-Haskafi in his super-commentary (hashiya), thus relates from the Manasic of Mulla Ali al-Qari, which has been mentioned earlier.


Therefore, there is complete consensus of the Ulama on the fact that the area of the land on which rests the body of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) i.e. his grace is more blessed and more virtuous than everything which includes the Ka’ba and the throne of Allah Almighty.


This is in accordance with the belief of the Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jama’ah that only Allah Almighty Himself has a greater rank than the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace). The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) is the best and most beloved of all creation, thus even the land where his body rests was given this status that it became the most virtuous of lands.


Some people may think how can the grave of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) be more virtuous than even the throne (arsh) of Allah Most High? The answer to this is that Allah Most High is not sitting (in every sense of the word) on his throne. He is pure from time and space, thus the Aqidah of the Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jama’ah is that Allah Almighty is not restricted to any time or space, though His knowledge encompasses everything. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) is resting in his blessed grave, although his soul may travel to other places.


And Allah knows best.


Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari

[muslim786]

Salamu alaikum

Thanks alot bro Faqir. Me and Salman love you... youre the man

(Im clever aint i - salman)

[lubna]

Assalamoalykum all
ok, now i am on my quest to verify what you just told me and will use my sources to convince me . inshaALlah will come back to you either agreeing with you or asking you more questions. as to seek knowldge is compulsory on all muslim men and women, and you seek it by asking questions to those who know i.e the people of knowledge.

and please dont be offended if i am not convinced as yet.... to verify things is my right. and to educate me is your duty. whether you are successful or not is not your problem. but be assured i am willing to learn inshaALlah.

wassalam
lubna

[salman]

Assalamoalykum all
ok, now i am on my quest to verify what you just told me and will use my sources to convince me . inshaALlah will come back to you either agreeing with you or asking you more questions. as to seek knowldge is compulsory on all muslim men and women, and you seek it by asking questions to those who know i.e the people of knowledge.

and please dont be offended if i am not convinced as yet.... to verify things is my right. and to educate me is your duty. whether you are successful or not is not your problem. but be assured i am willing to learn inshaALlah.

wassalam
lubna

Salamu Alaikum

Sister, willing to learn is one thing - but questioning Ijma is another. Ijma means consensus of the scholars. It is the third source of law. Even if you were to find something contradicting the above belief, your opinion would be rejected since then your opinion would accuse the whole ulema of misguidance on this specific issue - something impossible.

The Prophet - Allah bless him and greet him - stated "alaykum bi al-sawad al-a`zam" i.e. "follow the greater mass" and this means the greater mass of ulema. Further, Imam Shafi states in his Risala:

- The Prophet's order that men should follow the Muslim community is a proof that the Ijma` of the Muslims is binding.

He then states:

- By "congregation of Muslims" he (the Prophet) actually means the experts of independent reasoning (ahl al-ijtihad) and legal answers in the obscure matters which require insight and investigation, as well as the agreement of the Community of Muslims concerning what is obligatorily known of the religion with its decisive proofs.

Further my sister, we are not capable of actually "verify"ing through use of our "sources", unless ofcourse if you mean scholars themselves. Once again though iw ould just like you to know that Allama Ibn Abidin and Imam Haskafi and Mulla Ali qari are probably a few of the most famous Hanafis ever. Allamah ibn Abidins Hashiya is the most well known and widely used Fiqh text for the Hanafis, both in the subcontinent and the Arab world.

Finally:

- Anyone who deliberately dissents with the Consensus that he knows and understands is in place: he is an apostate and disbeliever by Consensus.

Source: Ibn Hazm, Maratib al-ijma` pg. 126.

However, i do not accuse you of anything - since currently you do not know or understand this properly, but know that you will have to and it cannto be rejected. Rejecting Ijma is very grave - but alhamdulilah you should verify with other ulema if it makes your belief more firm and im sure they will tell you the same as others have.

And May Allah help us succeed.

Please do not take any offense to what i have said.

wasalam

[Yaseen]

Asalamu'alykum

Indeed, the resting place of blessed Prophet salallahu'alyhi wasalaam is without doubt the most blessed place on earth. I am no scholar but I am sure even those with very limited knowledge like myself on the basis of the sources the learned bros have quoted can come to this conclusion.

We've got to bear in mind why Madina has attained such a status. After all
it is in Madina rests the greatest of all creation, the intercessor of sinners.

Also I am sure there is a hadith in which the Prophets salallahu'alyhi wasalaam states that a portion of Masjid e Nabvi is Riyaadh-ul-Jannah- heaven on earth. I think this is one the reasons that a lot of Muslims yearn to visit Madina so much. After all we are all striving for jannah-madina provides with a glimpse of this jannah on this very earth.

May Allah give us the taufeeq to visit the ka'ba and the Prophets salallahu'alyhi wasalams grave at least once in our lifetime.

Wasalaam

[lubna]

Also I am sure there is a hadith in which the Prophets salallahu'alyhi wasalaam states that a portion of Masjid e Nabvi is Riyaadh-ul-Jannah-Wasalaam

Assalamoalykum

the place that is called riyadul-jannah , lies between the mimber and the roza-e rasool SAW. so its not the grave itself!
may Allah guide us all to the truth

wassalam
lubna

[lubna]

Salamu Alaikum

Sister, willing to learn is one thing - but questioning Ijma is another. Ijma means consensus of the scholars. It is the third source of law. Even if you were to find something contradicting the above belief, your opinion would be rejected since then your opinion would accuse the whole ulema of misguidance on this specific issue - something impossible.

Further my sister, we are not capable of actually "verify"ing through use of our "sources", unless ofcourse if you mean scholars themselves. Once again though iw ould just like you to know that Allama Ibn Abidin and Imam Haskafi and Mulla Ali qari are probably a few of the most famous Hanafis ever. Allamah ibn Abidins Hashiya is the most well known and widely used Fiqh text for the Hanafis, both in the subcontinent and the Arab world.

can you please support your claim by Quraan and hadeeth? cos prophet muhammad's SAW grave being most blessed than kaaba and Arsh ,is not a minor thing! it has to be reported at least by sahabah RA.
and how about our imam Abu haneefa and his book on Aqeedah named Al Fiqah Al akbar, surely it must be in there! so why not no mention of his name/book? i would rather follow imam abu haneefa than ''Allamah ibn Abidins Hashiya ''

Finally:

- Anyone who deliberately dissents with the Consensus that he knows and understands is in place: he is an apostate and disbeliever by Consensus.

Source: Ibn Hazm, Maratib al-ijma` pg. 126.

However, i do not accuse you of anything - since currently you do not know or understand this properly, but know that you will have to and it cannto be rejected. Rejecting Ijma is very grave - but alhamdulilah you should verify with other ulema if it makes your belief more firm and im sure they will tell you the same as others have..

jazakallah for 1st threatning me of apostacy and then letting me off...phew!! what a relief!
which one is graver...... rejecting Ijma? or doing shirk?
i can understand where you are coming from, but i dont want to go there inshaAllah.
i am sorry to bust your bubbles brothers, but this 'less knowledgeable '' sister of yours doesnt agree with you. and prophets' SAW resting place is not more sacred than kaaba and Arsh. i love my prophet SAW and you love him too, and thats all that is important. the dissagreements can wait till yaumul qiyamah. we have both said what we believe in, so will end my conversation with you all by this note,

''to you be your way and to me be mine''

and we will let Allah decide on the day of judgement between us inshaAllah.

i am the odd one out in your crowed any way..... so i will say what Allah told me to say in the Quraan i.e 'salam' and i will move away inshaAllah.

Please do not take any offense to what i have said.

same request to you brother.
may Allah guide us all to the truth and keep us safe from the traps of shytaan Ameen
wassalam
lubna