Was Ibn Abdul Wahhab correct in destroying the tombs?

[Ultra-Muslim]

Please, if we're gonna be mature please let's keep it that way, if not there is nothing else to discuss. For the record, please show me something that I stated anything about SALAF not KHALAF, be honest and be just in your answer . I've never stated anything about this, so if you feel like throwing accusations I'll leave that to you. There is no need to resort to immaturity. I'm here to discuss and also learn from each other, if you can't comprehend to mature discussionsf there is no need to even post. can we agree to keep it civil.

Agreed. You don't have a madhab. So, you are either, la-madhabi, salafi, wahhabi, or something of the sort.

Somewhere along the line we must enjoin the good and forbid evil, and do it accordingly.

How is turning Khadijah's (you know, the Prophet's wife?) house into a toilet "enjoining good"? Please, explain that to me.

Who else but Iblis would do such a thing?

Once again present that I stated I was a wahabi my friend, don't get it confused because not everyone agree with everyone's position, I don't agree with the killing of children now if you've seen something from me that supports please present to me :insha:. Present to me that I support suicide (martyrdom ops) against an enemy, if you have the haq present it to the forum and you can check my profile and look for all my post to show that I support every single action because fulan says from his opinion.

Ok, fine, you aren't a Wahhabi.

Aside from that, can you answer my points or not? Repeated again:



Who built the tombs of the Prophet, the Khulafa, the Family and the Sahaba?

Who did it?


Who buried the Prophet in the mosque?

(THE SALAF!!!)

Who requested to be buried there?

(THE PROPHET!!!)

Where did Abu Bakr and Umar request to be buried?

(NEXT TO THE PROPHET IN THE MOSQUE!!!)

Who buried Abu Bakr and Umar in the mosque next to the Prophet?

(THE SALAF!!!)

Therefore, if the Salaf saw fit to do this, what gives you the authority to override the Sahaba and DESTROY what they MADE?

What can I assume about a man who wants to destroy what the Salaf made by hand? An enjoiner of good? Or....

If you reject the ijtehad of the Salaf, then that makes you no different than the Rafida and the Khawarij who reject the ijma and shura of the Salaf.

[Abdur_Rahman]

Agreed. You don't have a madhab. So, you are either, la-madhabi, salafi, wahhabi, or something of the sort.

I thought salafi~ wahabi were the same thing akhi, I don't understand what is the difference, both have been given a negative title from talking amongst other brothers. The wahabi is the one who follow the doctrine of ibn abdul wahab (rahimallah) and the salaf followed the ways and understanding of the pious predecessors, but for some reason they've been intertwined meaning the same thing

How is turning Khadijah's (you know, the Prophet's wife?) house into a toilet "enjoining good"? Please, explain that to me.

akhi, I apologize for any misunderstanding from regards to this from what I know if there is something evil in this aspect of builiding tombs to venerate someone is against the deen, from what I know it's best to take the safe rout and make dua for them (may Allah be pleased with them all, Ameen) Like I said I agree that some individuals do become overzealous in their actions and wanting to do good (allahu alim)

Now let me ask you would the outcome be different if they didn't even turn it into a toilet and just destroyed it and let it be?

Who else but Iblis would do such a thing?

Verily! Shaitân is to man an open enemy! (Yusuf 12:5), I also I agree that the whispers an nuffs affect us all around, and some tend to do things not according to the sunnah (A general statement, which goes into affect for all muslims)

Ok, fine, you aren't a Wahhabi.

Who built the tombs of the Prophet, the Khulafa, the Family and the Sahaba?
(THE SALAF!!!)

I agree once again, and therefore I need to take more time out and read about and hopefully get a better understanding of it, from what I know is from the hadith about the Muhammad (sallahu alayhe wasalam) curse to jews and christians in doing this, Allahu alim.

Bi'idhnillah if I go to hajj (I'll make dua for the prophet (salalhu alayhe wasalam)), and hopefully Allah accepts my dua and good deeds feesabilillah and all of ours Ameen

[Ultra-Muslim]

I thought salafi~ wahabi were the same thing akhi, I don't understand what is the difference, both have been given a negative title from talking amongst other brothers. The wahabi is the one who follow the doctrine of ibn abdul wahab (rahimallah) and the salaf followed the ways and understanding of the pious predecessors, but for some reason they've been intertwined meaning the same thing

Ibn Abdul-Wahab killed men, women and children. So...

And how do you define yourself?

[QUOTE]akhi, I apologize for any misunderstanding from regards to this from what I know if there is something evil in this aspect of builiding tombs to venerate someone is against the deen, from what I know it's best to take the safe rout and make dua for them (may Allah be pleased with them all, Ameen) Like I said I agree that some individuals do become overzealous in their actions and wanting to do good (allahu alim)

Now let me ask you would the outcome be different if they didn't even turn it into a toilet and just destroyed it and let it be?

Why destroy it? It is a historical monument, at least. But more than that, Our Prophet may have once resided there. That was his house.

What would you inspire to destroy the house where our Prophet lived?

My God.

Let's destroy Al-Saud and their golden houses, since you are so intent on "enjoining good'...

I agree once again, and therefore I need to take more time out and read about and hopefully get a better understanding of it, from what I know is from the hadith about the Muhammad (sallahu alayhe wasalam) curse to jews and christians in doing this, Allahu alim.

Bi'idhnillah if I go to hajj (I'll make dua for the prophet (salalhu alayhe wasalam)), and hopefully Allah accepts my dua and good deeds feesabilillah and all of ours Ameen

InshaAllah.

But you think about it. Since the Prophet ASKED to be buried there, was he contradicting himself?

[Abdur_Rahman]

Ibn Abdul-Wahab killed men, women and children. So...

And how do you define yourself?

I don't agree on killing women and children (however if there so arise that women are fighting in this case in the military what should be the resort), next irrelevant question akhi (actually nevermind, we'll just agree to disagree, and keep it cordial )

Why destroy it? It is a historical monument, at least. But more than that, Our Prophet may have once resided there. That was his house.

Allahu alim, like I said I'll stick with the neutral approach and continue to give salutations to him (alaihi salatul wasalam)

Let's destroy Al-Saud and their golden houses, since you are so intent on "enjoining good'...

If you feel like it's o.k. to do it go right ahead if you feel like you're enjoining the good, go against the muslim ruler you have the full tilt . Make dua for him for Allah to guide to that which is correct and be patient with whatever outcome there is (but in reality we as a ummah have forgotten about having patience, in dealing with fitnah)

But you think about it. Since the Prophet ASKED to be buried there, was he contradicting himself?

he was buried there now setting up a mausoleum is whole different situation (allahu alim)

for keep it civil, and also I appriciate others in giving there information so therefore I'll read more to better myself and to aviod fitnah

[samrqandi]

salaam alaikum

People are qouting muhammad ibn abdul wahab al-khawarij as if his some kind of a mujadid. We should be clear about this innovator because thats the title he deserves. His done the damage thats all we need to know!

may allah guide us all ameen

wassalaam alaikum

[Abdur_Rahman]

may allah guide us all ameen

Ameen, may allah forgive those muslims who came before us and overlook their faults and ours, Ameen!

[Omar HH]

If you feel like it's o.k. to do it go right ahead if you feel like you're enjoining the good, go against the muslim ruler you have the full tilt

I agree with keeping it civil, I think we all have been a little angry to say the least.

If you feel it so bad to go against the Muslim ruler (which the Prophet [SAWS] also found bad) why did Ibn Abdul Wahhab's people rebel against the KHALIFA of the MUSLIMS!! They made their own state and were crushed by the Khalifa yet they returned again.

Thats my only point.

Jazakallahu Khayrun

[Azzam]

Sheikh Ibn Abd ul Wahhab did not rebel against the Ruler. Nor did he kill women and children of the muslimeen. This are what some people say, but the safer way to those who dont know is to keep quiet about a matter which they were not present to witness.

I asked Sheikh Abdullah bin Bayyah about Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd ul Wahhab and he said he respected him a great deal and that His methodology was correct. He did not mention to me all these accusations that people say even though he could have. He also was not just being polite but he believed this to be true, all the positive things he said.

So my advice for some people is that if you differ with someone then differ but dont throw blind accusations around because if you join the circle on the Day of Yawm ul Qiyamah you will also be asked if what you said is incorrect.

The safest thing would be to leave it to Allah. One of the sins that is mentioned in one hadith is the one who hears something and then narrates it.

About rebelling against the ruler. The Mujahideen have ruled that the Saudi Rulers have committed Kufr by allying with the Kuffar. Their legitimacy was until they remained Muslim.

This is a hot topic about rebelling against the Rulers. There is a whole discussion on it yet elsewhere.

Remember that the true Salafi Dawah is not in support of Kings of the Saud Family. Please do your own research before mentioning any connections.

About graves...

Destroying something erected over a grave is not destroying a grave completely.

I would like to know what the opinion of the ahnaaf scholars on this is. I have heard something different.

Also the opinions of the other schools on this.

Please see.
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6786

I know the Taliban were very committed to this problem in Afghanistan.

[Abdur_Rahman]

I agree with keeping it civil, I think we all have been a little angry to say the least.

Yes akhi, I'm trying to learn this deen to best of my ability just like you! Cooler heads will prevail

If you feel it so bad to go against the Muslim ruler (which the Prophet [SAWS] also found bad) why did Ibn Abdul Wahhab's people rebel against the KHALIFA of the MUSLIMS!! They made their own state and were crushed by the Khalifa yet they returned again.

Thats my only point.

Jazakallahu Khayrun

Ohossino once again, I believe we've established the argument that some of the muslims tend to go "OVERBOARD" in the comprehension of this deen, trust me I've discussions with some of the jihadi muslims who when I've came with the same hadith about being patient with the ruler and make dua for him, they were not trying to hear that. Once I presented the evidence they get upset and start hurling name and calling deviant etc. That is the only thing those teenagers on other talk forums resort too. Just like the when Arafat and the King in UAE (Zayed bin Sultan) (may allah have mercy on their souls) passed away, they were sending la'janah on them and I reminded them about being arrogant and not nowing if these individuals made the tawbah at their last hours. Once again they prove me correct and start insulting and such. It's get's old and I just walk away from the argument



Like I said I like this forum the muslims here are quite mature and present their argument accordingly!

[Omar HH]

Just like the when Arafat and the King in UAE (Zayed bin Sultan) (may allah have mercy on their souls) passed away, they were sending la'janah on them and I reminded them about being arrogant and not nowing if these individuals made the tawbah at their last hours. Once again they prove me correct and start insulting and such. It's get's old and I just walk away from the argument



Like I said I like this forum the muslims here are quite mature and present their argument accordingly!

Totally correct on that point.

Attacking the dead is just stupid. I criticize some political decisions of people but when their dead it doesn't matter anymore, you really should just speak the good.

Even a Kaffir could have got Iman in their heart in the last second of their life.

Jazakallahu Khayrun