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    Assalamoalaikum!

    I do not really know how to begin,coz things have become so entangled in my mind.

    Well,born in a 'relatively' religious family,i was taught love for Islam and of Ulema.I thought that it was quite clear for us to follow the religion.Different sects did exist but did not differ much.My own family had mixture of wahabi,Deobandi and Brailwis.

    As long as i was with 'ordinary people' things were fine,trouble started when i started to read the Islamic literature and meeting the religious scholars.

    The very first people who impressed me were Wahabis/Salafis.It made a perfect sense that i was supposed to follow what Allah said and what his Rasool saw and whatever they said was written clearly in Quran and 6 Saheeh books of Hadeeth that were unanimously agreed upon by all Muslims.

    But i started to get bit disappointed when i saw scholars that i respected like Imam Abu Haneefa being ridiculed by some.More disappointment came by seeing that there was little tolerance for other sects AND above all little understanding of contemporary challenges facing the Ummah.I thoe tought being non-muqallids they were going to be more open and approachable.But they had little room for disagreement.
    Last but not the least,the very same reason for which attracted me to them became a disagreement also.Just as i thought that no one Imam can be perfect,similarly i think no one Muhaddith can be 'perfect' as well.Can't Bukhari and Muslim make a mistake in assessment of some of Ahadeeth out of thousands?

    I was then impressed by Sufis(Brailwis).I found a few people who were pious and did not indulge much in debates.They took me to their Sheikh.I began the Zikr that i was taught.This helped me a lot.I found that this gave me strength to bring shariah in my life and i felt happy.But then doubts started when my fellow brothers in sulook discourged me to read Quran with translation or commentry.I was told that this may make me astray.This made no sense,that they would neither teach nor let be taught.More doubts arose when i found that mureeds looked much more to Sheikh than to Allah.They always were waiting for some divine guidance will be given to them by Sheikh all of a sudden and they will attain new heights in spirtuality.Bottom line is that emphasis was on more on Sheikh than anything else.And then last but not the least again there was little tolerance for others.Somehow all wahabis were evil,they were disrespectful to Prophet saw.Altough i still have great respect for Sheikh,i did not feel comfortable with all this.

    I was then impressed a lot by Maudoodi,his writings appeared to be a balanced view of traditional Islam and dealing with modern life.

    However i was told by fellow Muslims that Moudoodi was a Fitnah.Traditional Hanafis are unhappy coz they find him someone creating a new Jama'at.Brailwis(sufis) think of him a Wahabi and Wahabis think of him a collabrater of shias and Sufis.

    Now i feel confused and lonely.

    Contemporary Islam(of all sects,sufis,wahabis etc.) seems to come in packages,if u want to take it,take the whole package otherwise they take u as a 'deviant' person.

    I sometimes hearing the argument from my own fellow Muslims feel that probably they will consider me worse than Kafirs!!!!!

    Go to a religious forum and one will find that the worst enemy os Islam is one of the other sects in Islam.

    Plz tell me:

    DO we worship the same Allah?
    Do we follow the same Prophet saw?
    It was almost three years ago that i wrote the above post.

    I have gradually come to at peace with all these different sects in Islam. I don't feel that confused or frustrated like i used to.

    I think all these Sufi/Salafi/Deobandi/Brailwi etc are facets of Islam. All the old scholars of muslims be it Abu Hanifa or Ibn Taimiyya, Ghazali or Mohiyyuddin Ibn Arabi, Ashari or Mutazali are our heritage. They have honestly wrote what they beleived to be true and presented their view points.

    I embrace all of them. I hope that one day all muslims do. We don't have to hate some of them to follow one of them.
    Its better to Err on the side of caution when it comes to Tawheed.
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    yes love everyone .... but hate disbelief


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    I embrace all of them. I hope that one day all muslims do. We don't have to hate some of them to follow one of them.[/QUOTE]


    All was (is)struggle for truth. Jazak Allah khair for sharing


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    Quote Originally Posted by snassirnia View Post
    I embrace all of them. I hope that one day all muslims do. We don't have to hate some of them to follow one of them.

    All was (is)struggle for truth. Jazak Allah khair for sharing[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abba View Post

    I think all these Sufi/Salafi/Deobandi/Brailwi etc are facets of Islam. All the old scholars of muslims be it Abu Hanifa or Ibn Taimiyya, Ghazali or Mohiyyuddin Ibn Arabi, Ashari or Mutazali are our heritage. They have honestly wrote what they beleived to be true and presented their view points.

    I embrace all of them. I hope that one day all muslims do. We don't have to hate some of them to follow one of them.
    How the hell do you embrace all of them. Do you believe all of this groups are correct?

    It would be funny since each one of them are dynamically opposed in the fundemental issue's.

    As for me I don't emrace all of them and that is being realistic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skilly View Post
    How the hell do you embrace all of them. Do you believe all of this groups are correct?

    It would be funny since each one of them are dynamically opposed in the fundemental issue's.

    As for me I don't emrace all of them and that is being realistic.
    There is a difference between embracing Beliefs and embracing People. No one is suggesting to embrace beliefs/doctrine/methodology. We follow the Sunnah of Rasullilah (salalahu alahi wasalam) and should also follow the example (as was suggested by Rasullilah (salalahu alahi wasalam) of the Khalifa-ul-Rashudin.

    1. If you see wrongdoing use your hand, if not use your tongue if not use your heart.

    2. Be like Abu Bakr (ra), a soft heart yet tough if a pillar is not recognized or apostates arise. Be like Umar (ra), very strict yet merciful. Be like Uthman (ra), kind-hearted who would not shed blood of anyone. Be like Ali (ra) the ascetic, spiritual yet would find it hard to even repeat a hadith. There are many characteristics but I'm just pointing out a few things.

    I find that many Muslims embrace non-Muslims more than Muslims. What a shame. We shake hands with people who say Allah is Three (astagfirullah), yet look away from those who still hold onto the Aqeedah, only because of a difference of opinion.
    Abu Sa’id (ra) said that Rasullilah (salalahi alahi wasalam) said, “Whoever says:

    Radeetu billahi rabban, wa bil-Islaami deenan, wa bi-Muhammadin rasoolan

    Jannah becomes obligatory for him (to enter).
    [Abu-Dawud]

    - Best said in Morning and Evening with "Nabiyan wa rasoolan"


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    Quote Originally Posted by fahid View Post
    There is a difference between embracing Beliefs and embracing People. No one is suggesting to embrace beliefs/doctrine/methodology. We follow the Sunnah of Rasullilah (salalahu alahi wasalam) and should also follow the example (as was suggested by Rasullilah (salalahu alahi wasalam) of the Khalifa-ul-Rashudin.

    1. If you see wrongdoing use your hand, if not use your tongue if not use your heart.

    2. Be like Abu Bakr (ra), a soft heart yet tough if a pillar is not recognized or apostates arise. Be like Umar (ra), very strict yet merciful. Be like Uthman (ra), kind-hearted who would not shed blood of anyone. Be like Ali (ra) the ascetic, spiritual yet would find it hard to even repeat a hadith. There are many characteristics but I'm just pointing out a few things.

    I find that many Muslims embrace non-Muslims more than Muslims. What a shame. We shake hands with people who say Allah is Three (astagfirullah), yet look away from those who still hold onto the Aqeedah, only because of a difference of opinion.
    No one, is suggesting, to go to the extreme.

    Aslong as they are not kaafirs or out of the fold of Islaam, but I would treat them like heretics. As they deserve it, you don't accept them and feel them welcome, you show your disapproval.

    Now it is important to priorities.

    Focus should be put on those who do shirk, built shrine and the sects that are out of fold of Islaam....than those with aristotelian aqeedah.

    Since ashari's are the main group that are active, especially they have a habit of lying, and pushing that dodgy aqeedah than that is the main reason you would see ahul sunnah putting their effort in refuting them.

    It does not mean, I believe that ashari's are kaafir's, as I believe they are the sect closest to ahul sunnah (I don't consider them ahul sunnah).

    It does not mean I would sell them out to kaafir's as many sufi-ashari have been doing, and use the western media.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skilly View Post
    No one, is suggesting, to go to the extreme.

    Aslong as they are not kaafirs or out of the fold of Islaam, but I would treat them like heretics. As they deserve it, you don't accept them and feel them welcome, you show your disapproval.

    Now it is important to priorities.

    Focus should be put on those who do shirk, built shrine and the sects that are out of fold of Islaam....than those with aristotelian aqeedah.

    Since ashari's are the main group that are active, especially they have a habit of lying, and pushing that dodgy aqeedah than that is the main reason you would see ahul sunnah putting their effort in refuting them.

    It does not mean, I believe that ashari's are kaafir's, as I believe they are the sect closest to ahul sunnah (I don't consider them ahul sunnah).

    It does not mean I would sell them out to kaafir's as many sufi-ashari have been doing, and use the western media.
    What is so dodgy about the Ashari aqeedah? I am not Ashari but I want to know? I find the Salafi aqeedah to be disturbing myself (note the I in the word SalafI, some people think saying SalafI = Salaf, how is that even possible?) , does that mean I am Kafir?
    Abu Sa’id (ra) said that Rasullilah (salalahi alahi wasalam) said, “Whoever says:

    Radeetu billahi rabban, wa bil-Islaami deenan, wa bi-Muhammadin rasoolan

    Jannah becomes obligatory for him (to enter).
    [Abu-Dawud]

    - Best said in Morning and Evening with "Nabiyan wa rasoolan"


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    Salaam's.

    Seems like the Salaafis, cannot make peace with each other to start with. so how can one expect them to make peace with other groups.

    In my home city we got the Ahle hadith, then you have the "Alum rockers" then you got "Salaafi publications" all making propoganda against each other.

    ontop they use titles like Suroori, madkalee, qutubi etc. Some very confused brothers out there.

    Besides I suppose the brother Abba ,is right just follow the group your comfortable with and leave others to themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahid View Post
    What is so dodgy about the Ashari aqeedah? I am not Ashari but I want to know? I find the Salafi aqeedah to be disturbing myself (note the I in the word SalafI, some people think saying SalafI = Salaf, how is that even possible?) , does that mean I am Kafir?
    Well if you don't know asharism, than go find out. This is a ashri/maturidi-sufi forum.

    I doubt you understand aqeedah of Ahul sunnah since you claim you find it disturbing.
    Last edited by Skilly; 16-01-2008 at 06:26 PM.


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