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    Some people say that the attahiyat was a conversation held by Allah and The nabi Muhammad (peace be upon him0 along with the angels of the night of Miraj.

    Our local imam teaching us the salaah told us last night that this is a fabrication and we should not beleive that this happened.

    Can anyone shed some more light on this issue?


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    There is no mention of this in any of the books of hadith.
    It is very famous, even quoted in a number of books of fiqh, however no-one has mentioned a source for it.


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    Our Imam mentioned the many famouse books on Tasawwuf in which it is mentioned (i cant recall them right now)

    It's a shame because some passionate brothers really beleive it because on paper it sounds really nice and does not sound far fetched....

    I am always amazed by the amount of fabrications flying around nowadays ..

    I can fathom how any scholar who would write a kitaab can knowingly add a sensational fabrication to his book.......


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    They don't add fabrications to ther books deliberately.
    Hadith, especially distinguishing strong from weak, is not everyones cup of tea.


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    There is no mention of this in any of the books of hadith.
    It is very famous, even quoted in a number of books of fiqh, however no-one has mentioned a source for it.
    So what does this mean? Should we believe the incident possibly occured even if their is no hadith? Should we quote the incident?

    Seems like the Salafis are right to some extent sometimes, plenty of the things I grew up learning to be based on hadith or sunnah turn out not to be.
    سبحانك لا علم لنا إلا ما علمتنا إنك أنت العليم الحكيم


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    Soofi Sahib, what is the correct narration related to 'attahiyaat'??

    where is the dua from/origin etc?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ENIGMA View Post
    Soofi Sahib, what is the correct narration related to 'attahiyaat'??

    where is the dua from/origin etc?
    Asslamo Allaikum,

    Soofi Saheb please correct it if it is wrong...

    http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/Back2Basics.pdf

    ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏أبو نعيم ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏الأعمش ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏شقيق بن سلمة ‏ ‏قال قال ‏ ‏عبد الله ‏
    ‏كنا إذا صلينا خلف النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏قلنا السلام على ‏ ‏جبريل ‏ ‏وميكائيل ‏ ‏السلام على فلان وفلان فالتفت إلينا رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏فقال ‏ ‏إن الله هو السلام فإذا صلى أحدكم فليقل التحيات لله والصلوات والطيبات السلام عليك أيها النبي ورحمة الله وبركاته السلام علينا وعلى عباد الله الصالحين فإنكم إذا قلتموها أصابت كل عبد لله صالح في السماء والأرض أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن ‏ ‏محمدا ‏ ‏عبده ورسوله

    Saheeh Bukhari


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    Quote Originally Posted by Talib84 View Post
    So what does this mean? Should we believe the incident possibly occured even if their is no hadith? Should we quote the incident?

    Seems like the Salafis are right to some extent sometimes, plenty of the things I grew up learning to be based on hadith or sunnah turn out not to be.


    It isn't permissible to attribute something to Allah Ta'ala and/or Nabi without proof of it.
    We should not quote this narration, neither should we believe that it occured.

    It isn't a Salafi thing, instead in every era there are Muhaqqiq Ulama (Ulama who are solid researchers) who bring to the attention of people such practices and beliefs that have no basis.

    In the recent past, Ml. Anwar Shah Kashmiri was one such Muhaqqiq, followed by his student Allamah Binnori. They were the ones who brought this narration to the attention of the Ulama and mentioned that they were unable to find any basis for it.

    Even today, there exist a number of Muhaqqiq Ulama, from amongst them our respected teacher, Ml. Fazlur Rahman Azmi, the Shaikh al-Hadith of Azadville Darul Ulum.

    Instead of feeling down and despondent when being informed that such practices are not correct, we should feel reassured that our Ulama aren't just accepting everything being passed down to them, instead they are constantly scrutinising every practice and belief to ensure that we are following that which is completely correct.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ENIGMA View Post
    Soofi Sahib, what is the correct narration related to 'attahiyaat'??

    where is the dua from/origin etc?
    Brother Muadh has supplied the correct source of the attahiyat.

    If he posts the translation as well, it would be more beneficial.


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    Quote Originally Posted by soofi_saheb View Post


    There is no mention of this in any of the books of hadith.
    It is very famous, even quoted in a number of books of fiqh, however no-one has mentioned a source for it.
    Well I know the Muwatta isn't strictly speaking a book of hadith, but it's in there, isn't it?


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