Re: Salatul fatih
Not what I meant for completness of the deen I agree.Originally Posted by ahsanirfan
For seeing how much importance people of this tariqah give importance to this "salah" and the so-called enormous benefits one can get from it, my question was why then Rasulullahdidn't teach it to his companions (
) as he
I am not convinced with the story of its revelation etc...
Re: Salatul fatih
But given the enormous blessing it supposely brings to the one that recites it (according to them), how come early muslims missed it, they missed the chance to benefit from this 'salah'.
@nuaym: it is sûratul ahzaab (no 33) verse 56.
Wassalaamu 'alaykum.
Re: Salatul fatih
As recorded in al-Jami and al Jawahir, our Shaikh Ahmad Tijani (may Allah be pleased with him) said: "You should know that the Prophet used to impose the general rules on the common folk during his lifetime; that is to say, when he declared something unlawful, he declared it unlawful for everybody, and when he prescribed something, he prescribed it for everybody, and likewise in the case of all the obvious rules of the Sacred Law.
In addition to all that, he used to impose special rules on the elite, and he used to assign certain matters to some of his Companions but not to others, as is well known and thoroughly recorded in his traditional reports. When he was transferred to the abode of the Herafter, the situation was therefore the same as it had been during his life in this world.
He had begun to entrust to his Cummunity the special decree imposed on the elite, but not modification of the general decree imposed on the common folk, so modification thereof ceased with his death, while his gracious favor continued to apply to the special degree imposed on the elite. If anyone imagines that all of his support for his Community came to an end with his death, as in the case of all other dead men ,he is ignorant of the Prophet’s degree and guilty of treating him with indecently. He is also in danger of dying as an unbeliever, if he does not repent of this deluded conviction.."
Re: Salatul fatih
Salam Alaikum
As someone who used to be in the Triqa..I can say without doubt that this is a form of shirk, and it is an evil practice!!
Without doubt that "so-called" dikhr is an act of worshipping the Rasullullah (s.a.w.s), no different than the Christians worshipping Isa (AS)! As one who used to be a committed member it's almost like a cult. I was even told that I could not marry someone unless they were in the triqa (no matter if they were muslim), I was also told I would be committing shirk if I left the triqa (yes they told me I would be apostating if I left the tariqa)!! They called on and worked with jinns, and everything was a secret.
There's no secrets in Allah (s.w.t)'s religion, the only secrets are that which Allah has made clear are with him and him alone..and we don't know what those are!
Even the prayer..how can the Rasullulah open what is closed (except by Allah's leave)..how can he be the truth by the truth..my question is why should one praise the Rasulluulah?? Why not just go to the source of knowledge of All thing and pray to Allah...why would one need The Rasool as an intercessor for him/herself, and the Rasool is not alive to pray for him/her???
The Prophet (s.a.w.s) said to send blessing upon him NOT PRAISE HIM!!, and he told us how to do it..and that ain't it!!! Allah (s.w.t) says in Al Quran-Karim "Surely Allah and his angels send Blessing upon Muhammad, oh ye who believe send ye him blessings and salute him with all respect! (Quran:33.56)...in no where does it say praise him no where!!
The Rasool (s.a.w.s) even mentioned in Hadith about praising him...he said "do not do to me what the christians did to Isa (as), call me the slave and Apostle of Allah (s.w.t) for I am indeed only a Messenger" Sahih Bukari
Allah (s.w.t) says he is free of all wants WORTHY OF ALL PRAISE!! not Muhammad (s.a.w.s) Audhu Billahi minashaytan arrajim.
If it wasn't for the mercy, and grace of Allah (s.w.t) I would still be among those practicing this...Allah have mercy on me and forgive me my sins of shirk out of ignorance- Ameen
And may Allah Aza WA Jal guide us and gard us all from straying away from the true path he sent with Rasulullah (s.a.w.s)-Ameen
And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice), In order that ye may not transgress (due) balance. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance.
Re: Salatul fatih
May Allah guide you and all of us. To realize the reality of His Messenger and His Awliya Allah.
It is evident that the scholars of Najd has affected your learning and outlook on our blessed Prophet.
Again the people of Najd use the words "shirk" and "kufr" more loosely than they hand their pants at their ankles. This is the BIGGEST of innovation in our time.
It is evident from your translations of the Quran that you have used a Wahabi/Najd translation.
Since when does the word "yu Suluuna ala Nabi' mean blessing? All of the scholars of the MAJORITY of the Ummah since the time of the Salaf have spoken about the authentic narrations and what is due for our Beloved Prophet. Since the people of Najd dont like to follow traditional Islam by sitting with an ALIM and they prefer to teach themselves Islam and make fatwas on what's bida and whats shirk based off of their readings. I beg you to read the "Shifa" of Qadir Iyyad (Judge Iyyad) which shows from the QURAN and HADITH the respect and honor that is due to the Prophet. The door to Allah. If one tries to enter the Divine Presence without going through the door of the Prophet and without his LOVE. then he will NEVER reach Allah.
Last edited by tijanifaqir; 10-07-2008 at 07:27 PM.
Re: Salatul fatih
As someone who used to be in the Triqa..I can say without doubt that this is a form of shirk, and it is an evil practice
Are you then saying that Sayyiduna Ali was teaching shirk to the Sahabaibn Kathir wrote, in his commentary of Quran, the following Hadith, through the narration of Saeed ibn Mansour, and Yazeed ibn Haroun, and Zaid ibn El-habbab. The three of them narrated it through Nooh ibn Qais, who said that Salamah El-Kindi reported to me that Ali ibn Abu Talib (R.A.A.) used to teach the people this supplication, "O Allah, the Leveler of the leveled (earths), the Creator of the elevated (heavens, skies), and the Disposer of hearts to their natural disposition: the blessed and the wretched, send Your divinely majestic prayers, Your augmenting blessings, and the virtues of Your bounties, upon your servant and Messenger, Mohammed: the opener of what had been closed and the seal of what had gone before; the manifestor of the truth by the truth; and the refuter and destroyer of the surges of falsehood. As he has sturdily undertaken your Commands for Your obedience, prepared for Your pleasure without recoiling or weakening in determination; retainful of Your revelation, preserving Your covenant, resolved in fulfilling Your Commands, until he stroke light (knowledge) for a seeker. The bounties of Allah join the believers with His means. Through him, the hearts are guided after indulgence in seditions (allurements) and sins. He established the elucidating banners, the prominent tenets, and the evident ordinances of Islam. Verily, he is Your reliable trustworthy; the custodian of your Preserved Knowledge; Your witness in the day of judgment; Your Missionary of Grace; and Your Messenger of the Truth for mercy. O Allah, make him room generously in your Aden; and reward him with multitudes of Your good favors: wholesome not embittering, from the gains of Your untied rewards and graceful bestowal. O Allah, make his structures overcome the structures of others, and honor his abode with you and dwelling; and complete, to him, his light and reward him, from the time You raise him, by making him of acceptable testimony, of approved word, of decisive plan, of fair reasoning, and of compelling argument and proof."
Re: Salatul fatih
Salam Alaikum,
First off don't falsely accuse me of anything..especially things you don't know about, that is haram!
Second I am no where near Wahabi or salafi or whatever you want to call it..don't falsely accuse me of anything just to further your own personal agenda (which is the tariqa).
second go through this thread and you will see where the posters who are defending this tariqa refer to praising Muhammad...and this is what I was refering to.
Thirdly I referred to my own experience with the tariqa.. not yours but my own!!!
And how dare you profess to know what Allah will do??? And how dare you imply that if I am not in the tariqa I have no love for the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s) Astaghfurllah!!
Who made you the knower of people's hearts??? You need to get a real grip on reality...and realize you are not the one to determine who will go to paradise or who will go to hell..and you are not the to determine whom Allah (s.w.t) will forgive, and show mercy to and admit to his grace!!
And indeed I did say it was a form of shirk (what I was practicing from the peopel of the tariqa)..because it was..calling on other than Allah s.w.t in one's time of need is..or any other time for that matter is a form of shirk..and calling on jinns as well!!! And those people of the tariqa had my family and I doing this..so I have every right to state what I know to be false!!!
Allahu Alam
W/S
And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice), In order that ye may not transgress (due) balance. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance.
Re: Salatul fatih
Salam Alaikum,
I don't know what Sayydina Ali (ra) was teaching the sahaba, for I was not there to see, only Allah knows (and those who were taught and the teacher himself) what was said.
Only Allah can make plain what is not, and only Allah is the truth by the truth for me!!
I seek refuge in Allah (s.w.t) and Allah because All Praise is for Allah Aza Wa Jal.
I am not about to profess to know about something that I don't know..I'm only stating what I do know, and (let me highlight this because you people seem to be adamant on seeing what you want to see) that from my own experience.
Like I said anytime something concering this religion is a secret, it's not to be trusted...and anytime someone tells me I can only marry within the tariqa...that's a sign that something is not correct..and lastly anytime that someone tells me that if I am NOT in the tariqa I am commiting shirk(which means to believe in and worship other than Allah) its time for me to go!!
Allahu Alam
Salams
And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice), In order that ye may not transgress (due) balance. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance.
Re: Salatul fatih
Judging from the last few posts which I have read, clearly sister you have had some bad experiences. It should not however cloud your judgment on Tariqahs generally...though my judgment also gets clouded at times : )
Maybe someone (assumption)-as strong in faith as yourself is not in need of a being in a Tariqah or maybe you need to be in a different Tariqah.I hope someone can assist you correctly.
Please have a read of this
Ya Hadi! (and from Allah is guidance).
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Subhanallah sis,
Judging from the last few posts which I have read, clearly sister you have had some bad experiences. It should not however cloud your judgment on Tariqahs generally...though my judgment also gets clouded at times : )
Maybe someone (assumption)-as strong in faith as yourself is not in need of a being in a Tariqah or maybe you need to be in a different Tariqah.
Please have a read of this
Ya Hadi! (and from Allah is guidance).
Thank you for recognizing, that I speak from my own experience.
And it's not to say that I am strong in faith (insha'Allah I am, but Allahu Alam), but more like I wary of things that offer praise for people, even though they are Prophets...as Allah (s.w.t) says in Al Quran-"All Praise is for Allah", and Allah alone.
The Rasool (s.a.w.s) even warned us against praising people, so when things like a tariqa come along one should always proceed with caution.
Innovation in Islam is indeed from the shaytan, Allah already tells us he has perfected our religion with the Quran and Sunnah.
So what I don't understand is, how can someone come along and add something which was not done by the Prophet (s.a.w.)...but they attribute it to the Sahaba's, and now claim it to be apart of religion??? I'm sorry but there is something extremely wrong with that.
and Allahu Alam
And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice), In order that ye may not transgress (due) balance. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance.
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