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    Exclamation What takes one out of fold of Islam?

    aslaamu alaikum

    when one truly believes that there is no god but allah and muhammad is his messenger then they are a muslim.

    but i have heard that there are some actions that can make on kufr EVEN IF they truly believe there is no god but allah and muhammad is his messenger.

    what are the actions that make one a kufr?
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    Default Re: what takes one out of fold of islam?

    Slandering God or the Prophet (pbuh) when conscious would take one outside the fold of Islam
    Al-Layth said: "If I saw a person of desires (i.e. innovations) walking upon the water I would not accept from him." So Imam as-Shafii then said: "He (al-Layth) has fallen short. If I saw him walking in the air I would not accept from him."

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    Default Re: what takes one out of fold of islam?

    Knowingly denying any of the six articles of faith, the five pillars or any other injunction of the Qur'an or well established Ahadith (Mutawatir).
    "Whoever acts upon what he knows, Almighty Allah bestows upon him
    the knowledge of things not known to him"
    (Fazaa'il-e-A'maal, Virtues of the Holy Qur'an, Part 1, under Hadith 8)


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    Default Re: what takes one out of fold of islam?

    makin halaal haraam and vice versa, to mock any of the teachings of islaam, to beleive there is exist a method of doing sumfink better than the way the prophet (saw) taught us, denying a clear cut teaching of islaam. however even tho these are acts of kufr its for the ulema to determine who is a kaafir. also one must have knowledge of what they are doing and sayin. eg if an ignorant person says there is no such fing of hijaab in islaam then unlesss u show them the ayah's and hadith and they still deny it then they are on the brink but again its for the ulema to say it we as laymen dont make takfir


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    Default Re: what takes one out of fold of islam?

    Things that take one outside the fold of Islam:

    1. Denying any of the qat'e ayat of the Quran.
    2. Denying Mutawattir hadiths.
    3. Denying the Ijma [consensus] of Sahaba.


    Muhaddith Allamah Yusuf Binori [ ] has listed 51 things [in Aqida Nazul al-Masih, page 24] that take one outside the fold of Islam. It doesn't mean that there are only 51 things, there are many more.

    Some of them are:

    1. Believing that Quran is not qadeem [eternal].
    2. Denying the seeing of Allah on the day of Judgment.
    3. Denying the attribute of Kalam [speech] of Allah.
    4. Punishment of the grave.
    5. Finality of the Prophethood.
    6. Believing that Universe or matter is qadeem [eternal].
    7. Denying the existence of Angels.
    8. Denying the existence of Kiram al-Katibeen [2 angels on your right and left shoulders].
    9. Hatred of Ahle Bayat [family of the Prophet ].
    10. Denying the Khilafat [Caliph-hood] of Shaykain [Hazrat Abu Bakar and Umer ].
    11. Cursing the Shaykhain.
    12. Denying Hawd al-Kawthar.
    13. Denying Shifaat al-Kubra.
    14. Wearing silk while thinking of it as permissible [for men].
    15. Denying the punishment of stoning for the adulters.
    16. Denying Jihad.
    17. To believe that only souls will be resurrected, and not the body is also kufar.
    18. Denying the second coming of Hazrat Isa [ ].
    19. Belief that Hazrat Isa died a natural death, and was not resurrected alive with his body.
    20. Hatred for Ansaar and Muhajireen.
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    Default Re: what takes one out of fold of islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by khanbaba View Post
    Things that take one outside the fold of Islam:

    1. Denying any of the qat'e ayat of the Quran.
    2. Denying Mutawattir hadiths.
    3. Denying the Ijma [consensus] of Sahaba.
    Muhaddith Allamah Yusuf Binori [ ] has listed 51 things [in Aqida Nazul al-Masih, page 24] that take one outside the fold of Islam. It doesn't mean that there are only 51 things, there are many more.

    Some of them are:

    1. Believing that Quran is not qadeem [eternal].
    2. Denying the seeing of Allah on the day of Judgment.
    3. Denying the attribute of Kalam [speech] of Allah.
    4. Punishment of the grave.
    5. Finality of the Prophethood.
    6. Believing that Universe or matter is qadeem [eternal].
    7. Denying the existence of Angels.
    8. Denying the existence of Kiram al-Katibeen [2 angels on your right and left shoulders].
    9. Hatred of Ahle Bayat [family of the Prophet ].
    10. Denying the Khilafat [Caliph-hood] of Shaykain [Hazrat Abu Bakar and Umer ].
    11. Cursing the Shaykhain.
    12. Denying Hawd al-Kawthar.
    13. Denying Shifaat al-Kubra.
    14. Wearing silk while thinking of it as permissible [for men].
    15. Denying the punishment of stoning for the adulters.
    16. Denying Jihad.
    17. To believe that only souls will be resurrected, and not the body is also kufar.

    wow i guess this is what hazrat mufti abdur razzak (dmt) meant when he said those who dont pray 20 rakaats taravih are doing a real major sin.

    again with the list u provides can people use ignorance as an excuse, eg alot of shias i know personally dont no nothing at all abt there own beleives never mind ours and if they where to think of the shaikhain (ra) as bad people can they be considered non muslims or do we have to explain to them the status of the shaikhan (ra) and only then if they choose to curse them can they e kaafis. someone even told me even tho qadiyanis are kaafirs and there is no doubt abt it we as individuals shouldnt go and call a qadiyani a kaafir until it is proven he has knowledge that rasoolullah (saw) is the finl messenger and again if only then he stiks to his corrupt beleives then we can say he or she is a kaafir


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    Default Re: what takes one out of fold of islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by slave of allah View Post

    again with the list u provides can people use ignorance as an excuse, eg alot of shias i know personally dont no nothing at all abt there own beleives never mind ours and if they where to think of the shaikhain (ra) as bad people can they be considered non muslims or do we have to explain to them the status of the shaikhan (ra) and only then if they choose to curse them can they e kaafis. someone even told me even tho qadiyanis are kaafirs and there is no doubt abt it we as individuals shouldnt go and call a qadiyani a kaafir until it is proven he has knowledge that rasoolullah (saw) is the finl messenger and again if only then he stiks to his corrupt beleives then we can say he or she is a kaafir
    One of the scholar answered it in these words:

    To be a kafir, it is not necessary to comprehend with all the practices of kufr. Just because of a handful of Hindus calling themselves monotheist, the fatwa of Shirk from the Hindus is not removed. On the other hand, when the entire Islamic History has proven the "Taqayya" of Shias, they cannot be trusted what so ever. Hence, the overall fatwa is of their Kufr.

    If they claim to be a Shia Twelver, and still don't hold the disbeliefs of the Shia Twelvers, they should first start counting themselves other than those Rafidhis, say, become Zaidi, and then obtain a fatwa. If a person apparently claims to be a Shia Imamia, he will obviously be considered among them.

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    You might come across some Qadyanis, who do not hold the kufar beliefs of theirs, so we can't say that Qadyanis are Muslim because few of them hold correct beliefs. Simility, you can't say Isna Ashris are Muslims because few among them hold correct beliefs. Fatwa is given for the group, but those among them who hold correct beliefs, will be regarded Muslims.

    And Mufti Mufti Nawal ar-Rahman said:

    The aqaid of the shia are not in conformance with Islam. Their khawaas [elders, scholars, authorities] amongst them do not negate their works or beliefs and their awaam [layman, public] neither reject or raise a voice against the nonsense scattered throughout their texts and what their authorities have asserted. They are both in the same boat and guilty of kufr likewise. The Imami shia are out of the fold of Islam and will be considered so, until and unless they shun and disassociate themselves from what is mentioned in their authoritative works and by their scholars.
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    Default Re: What takes one out of fold of Islam?

    u misunderstood wot i said. i agree in general shias and qadiyanis are kaafirs. but what i was sayin is if a qadiyani came up to u said they believe in that khinzir as a prophet can u make takfir on them straight away or do u have to first educate them n show proof that sayyiduna muhammed mustafa (saw) was the last and final messenger


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    Quote Originally Posted by slave of allah View Post
    wow i guess this is what hazrat mufti abdur razzak (dmt) meant when he said those who dont pray 20 rakaats taravih are doing a real major sin.
    sorry bro, i don't want to go off-topic, but tarawih prayer is a sunnah prayer and is not obligatory at all..........so if u don't pray 20 rakah tarawih, ur still not sinning - ur just missing out on the additional rewards.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JJJ View Post
    sorry bro, i don't want to go off-topic, but tarawih prayer is a sunnah prayer and is not obligatory at all..........so if u don't pray 20 rakah tarawih, ur still not sinning - ur just missing out on the additional rewards.

    Hey Greenshirt, just to provide with a full perspective of Muslim thought, here's the opinion of Ibn Baz rahimahullah, who many salafi's hold in high regard.

    You should know, dear Muslim brother, that Allah made it obligatory upon all His slaves to enter Islam and hold on to it, and warned them against following other than Islam. He also sent His Prophet Muhammad (saws) to call mankind to it. Allah has informed us in the Qur'an that guided are those who follow the teachings of Islam, and misguided are those who reject them. He warned us in many Verses against the causes of apostasy and all forms of Shirk and disbelief Religious scholars have mentioned that there are a number of invalidators that are bound to take one out of the fold of Islam. For the sake of attaining salvation in the Hereafter, I have briefly cited in the following pages, with some explanation, the ten most critical of these invalidators so that you will avoid them and make others aware of them.

    1. To associate others with Allah in worship. The Qur'an says: "Allah forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners with Him in worship, but He forgives whom He pleases other sins than this." (Soorah 4: 1 16)

    "Whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, Allah will forbid him Paradise, and the Fire will be his abode. For the wrongdoers there are no helpers." (Soorah 5:72)

    Forms of worship include calling upon the dead, seeking their assistance, offering sacrifices to them, and taking vows in their names.

    2. To set up intermediaries between oneself and Allah, seeking their intercession and putting absolute trust in them. Those who do so are unanimously considered disbelievers.

    3. Not to accuse polytheists and those who commit Shirk or disbelief, to be in doubt as to their being disbelievers, or to approve of their beliefs.

    4. To believe that the Prophet's guidance is not complete or perfect or that other people's ruling and judgment is better than his. Those who prefer the rule of false gods are blatant

    5 . Those who hate anything that the Prophet came with are also disbelievers even if they act upon them. The Qur'an says: "That is because they hate that which Allah sent down, so He has made their deeds fruitless." (Soorah 47:9)

    6. Those who ridicule anything that Islam came with, such as punishment and reward in the Hereafter, are disbelievers. The Qur'an says: "Say: 'Was it at Allah, and His Signs, and His Messenger, that you were mocking? Make no excuse; you have rejected Faith after you had accepted it." (9:65,66)

    7. Magic in all its forms, including turning someone away from somebody that he or she loves, and making someone love someone or something he or she does not normally like. Whoever practices magic or approves of it is a disbeliever, as evidenced by the Qur'anic Verse that says:

    "But neither of these (two angels) taught anyone (such things) without saying, We are only for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us)." (Soorah2:102)

    8. To take the disbelievers for friends, give them support and assistance against the Muslims is an act of disbelief. The Qur'an says: "And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guides not a people unjust." (Soorah 5:51)

    9. Those who believe that it is in their power or authority to forsake the law of Islam are disbelievers. The Qur'an says: "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." (Soorah 3:85)

    10. To turn away from Islam and to stubbornly refuse to learn its teachings or act upon them. The Qur'an says: "And who does more wrong than he who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord, then he turns away there from? Verily from those who transgress We shall exact (due) retribution." (Soorah 32:22)

    In all of these invalidators, there is no difference between one who does them jokingly, seriously, or in fear, except for one who is compelled against his will. All of these matters are most dangerous and most of them are occurring (amongst the Muslims). Therefore, it is necessary for the Muslim to beware of them and fear for himself concerning them.

    The fourth point mentioned above also includes those who believe that man-made laws are better than the Islamic Law, that the Islamic Law is not suitable to be implemented in the present century, that Islam is the reason behind Muslims' backwardness in some spheres of life, or that it is not applicable in other spheres of life apart from regulating one' s life with one's Lord. This point also includes those who believe that cutting off the thief's hand is a backward law that should not be implemented in the present-day society. It also includes those who believe that it is permissible to dispense with the Islamic Law in matters relating to the social life and the boundary limits for the lawful and the unlawful even if they do not believe that other laws are not better than the Islamic Law. For this means that they have made lawful what Allah had already made unlawful. Whoever makes lawful what Allah has declared unlawful, things that are known in religion by necessity such as adultery, drinking alcohol, usury and ruling with other than Allah's Law, is a disbeliever with the unanimous agreement of all Muslim scholars.

    We seek Allah's refuge from His painful chastisement as well as from those things that cause His wrath. Allah's Peace and Blessing be upon His Messenger, his pure family and noble Companions.


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