As Salaam Alaykum

[Suhaib_Jobst]

As Salaam Alaykum wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuh,

I have just joined this forum, because I would like to increase my knowledge in traditional Islamic Fiqh and deepen my understanding of the Deen. Although I have been a Muslim for over six years, I had been a "Salafi". It provided me with the opportunity to learn much about the Deen, masha'Allah.

But a number of factors gradually led me to question their particular understanding of Islam. After having previously believed we need only "Qur'an and Sunna", I have since realized the importance of following one of the madhahib. I have adopted this in the form of the 'Amal Ahl al-Madina, which was the original term used by Imam Malik ibn Anas (rahimahullah).

I have also been reading into the original sciences of Tasawwuf, because this term has unfortunately been distorted by the practice of certain pseudo-Sufis and this has provided many "Salafis" the opportunity to reject it entirely as a later bid'ah. I have come to understand there is an authentic Tasawwuf based firmly on adherence to the Shari'a and Ittiba' as-Sunna.

So I am trying to soak in the various information on the forum and will begin posting when I feel there is something I can positively contribute to, insha'Allah. May Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala) allow me to benefit from this forum and increase us all in Taqwa. Ameen.

Wa Alaykum as-Salaam wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuh

[not known]

welcome to the forum brother

if u have any good maliki books plz give the links here brother

i will be very thankfull

i was trying to add some good books of all fiqh on my blog

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?bl...65954518284210

jazakallah

[alfatiha]

[Suhaib_Jobst]

if u have any good maliki books plz give the links here brother

I am currently studying Muhammad al-'Arabi al-Qarawi's "Fiqh Summary of the School of the Maliki Masters" ( http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...ey/purity.html ) and Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani's "Ar-Risala" ( http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...ey/Page17.html ).

This is because I understand that one following a madhhab should ensure that their prayer is according to that madhhab. Up until I began studying these works, I was praying according to the "Salafi" method which I had been taught shortly after taking my Shahada.

[Musleemah]

But a number of factors gradually led me to question their particular understanding of Islam. After having previously believed we need only "Qur'an and Sunna", I have since realized the importance of following one of the madhahib. I have adopted this in the form of the 'Amal Ahl al-Madina, which was the original term used by Imam Malik ibn Anas (rahimahullah).

wa alaykum assalam wa rahmatullah

Brother

please answer the following question:

- Do salafi scholars reject fiqh madhhabs? or the 4 Imams rahimahum Allah?
- Do salafi scholars have their own made up fiqh madhhab?
- Do Salafi scholars tell their laymen to do ijtihad themselves to find out the correct ruling? or do they teach that laymen do taqlid?


plz answer.

[abulayl]

wa alaykum assalam wa rahmatullah

Brother

please answer the following question:

- Do salafi scholars reject fiqh madhhabs? or the 4 Imams rahimahum Allah?
.

Assalamualaikum sister. U have to tell us about which salafis u r questioning.
MAdkhali salafis? neo salafis? takfiri salafis? ikhwani salafis? ahla hadith(wanna be salafis)?

- Do salafi scholars have their own made up fiqh madhhab?
.

ABout prayer its the book sifatussalah- sheikh albani(rh)

Or diercet ask Islam- qa .com.

- Do Salafi scholars tell their laymen to do ijtihad themselves to find out the correct ruling? or do they teach that laymen do taqlid?

Its differ with the answer of 1st question. THose salafis who read the book of sheikh shawkani they totally deny taqlid, and there is also a lot of opinion among them. Some arab schoalrs says its permissible, some encourage, some feel not so comfertable and some called it as a shirk.

And when there backside is near to wall, they will change this topic and invite to talk about tawhid.

[Suhaib_Jobst]

wa alaykum assalam wa rahmatullah

Wa Alaykum as-Salaam wa-Rahmatullahi wa-Barakatuh,

Do salafi scholars reject fiqh madhhabs? or the 4 Imams rahimahum Allah?

The scholars whom the Salafis take from Saudi Arabia (Bin Baz, 'Uthaymeen, and members of the Lajna ad-Da'ima), were themselves followers of the Hanbali madhhab. Even Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan issued a ruling that it was necessary for the lay person - and even the knowledgeable one who is not able to practice Ijtihad - to follow one of the madhahib.

On the other hand, Shaykh Muhammad Nasir-ud-Deen al-Albanee was well-known for his opinion of rejecting the madhahib entirely. He was influenced by the famous book by Muhammad al-Ma'sumi al-Khajnadi, as well as his readings of Rashid Rida's Al-Manar in his youth.

In his modernist reforms, Rida framed the arguments in terms of Taqlid opposed to Ijtihad, since the traditional Islamic Fiqh was a stumbling block in his reforms. In actuality, we believe merely that the Ijtihad is only for the Mujtahid and not for the rest of us.

So this should answer the rest of your questions: There is a difference between the Salafi scholars and the lay followers, as well as the organizations which have sprang up in the West. There is a remarkable disconnection between the two, the latter don't even follow the scholars whom they claim to, preferring such individuals as Ubaikan and Madkhali.

These organizations and the ones who lead them, have created an entire movement which calls to the idea of "returning back to the Qur'an and Sunna", claiming that one can pick and choose from the madhahib whatever conforms to the Texts. So there is no consistency, in reality this can only lead to following one's desires.

So in practice, this claim has the purpose of questioning the knowledge of the Four Imams. Do the contemporaries really know better than the four who lived in the early period of Islam and had a living legacy to the period of the Salaf? So you see how ironic these claims of following the Salaf as-Salih are when it is viewed in this light.

Wa Allahu A'lam.

[xii]

Suhaib Jobst,

Al-Albanee is not a scholar, therefore should not be referred to as shaykh. Any proof that Bin Baz, Uthaymin were indeed traditional hanabilah? My understanding is that Bin Baz, Uthaymin are innovators in deen who have spread fitnah in the ummah by writing filth. I absolutely refuse to respect these people i mentioned, as they have done nothing but damage to the ummah. Uthaymeen is quoted to have said that the wahabis (khwaarij kilab) will destroy the green dome and flatten the three graves in the holy masjid at madinah. Are you telling us that Uthaymeen is a representative of the Hanbali madhab? Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal will turn his blessed face away from such elements.

[Suhaib_Jobst]

Wa Alaykum as-Salaam,

Al-Albanee is not a scholar, therefore should not be referred to as shaykh.

I was under the impression that "shaykh" can be used to refer to anyone who has devoted themselves to studying the Islamic sciences, no matter how erroneous their teachings? But I am still open to this point, if I hear decisive evidence which explains we should not.

Any proof that Bin Baz, Uthaymin were indeed traditional hanabilah?....Are you telling us that Uthaymeen is a representative of the Hanbali madhab? Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal will turn his blessed face away from such elements.

Not at all, simply that those individuals claimed they were followers of the Hanbali madhhab so it is ironic that at the same time, most "Salafis" reject madhahib entirely. It was my point that Salafism is built on several contradictions, since there are no real foundations based on Ahl as-Sunna.

Uthaymeen is quoted to have said that the wahabis (khwaarij kilab) will destroy the green dome and flatten the three graves in the holy masjid at madinah.

I did not know about this "fatwa". Many of the most outrageous rulings of this sort are carefully hidden, especially in works translated and promoted in the West. Wa Allahu A'lam.

[abulayl]

Suhaib Jobst,

Al-Albanee is not a scholar, therefore should not be referred to as shaykh. Any proof that Bin Baz, Uthaymin were indeed traditional hanabilah? My understanding is that Bin Baz, Uthaymin are innovators in deen who have spread fitnah in the ummah by writing filth.

AKhi actuelly we should respect them where they deserves for their good works. ANd as a laymen u should also respect. ANd To think somehting wrong or whatever, is the job of schoalrs.