Is an amir still relevant?

[adamm]

salam
i'm surprised some brothers on this forum haven't rushed to answer you.

it is important we have an amir, ofcourse!

how is the question.

waalkumusalam

Maybe they are of the view that we need or it is compulsory to resolve fiqhi issues first or that the deen must be establish in the heart so unless that occurs forget about establishing it on the land - thus the duty becomes an act of omission due to the importance of the first view? Irregardless, I wanted to know the scholars view.

[adamm]

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Allah gives the Amir the authority and the people under bay`at gives him the power. These people are groups of men and women who are committed to each other by their common bond to the Amir. It is our strength and our Protection. The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said: "Whoever dies without having bound himself by an oath of allegiance to an Amir will die the death of one belonging to the days of Jahillyya.

Assalmoalykum Celt Islam,

How can I die in semblance to those who die in Jahillyaa, when I don't have access to an amir? Would'nt I be exempted from this therefore?

[adamm]

Please brother, I'm just saying that different groups have different views on when and how a Khalifat could be successful again.

Meaning that having an amir is not relevant at this point?

[True Life]

Was meant more like "establish in the heart so unless that occurs forget about establishing it on the land"...

[adamm]

and is this a hadith in your quotations? I think establishment in heart is fruitless without establishing in the land, the importance being of what Celt Islam brought forth, previously.

And establishing in the heart and in the land can be accomplished simulatenously. :Insha:

[shushu]

The amir is especially relevant in the times we are living in.

Moulana Fazul-ur-Rahman Ansari has commented that it is imperative for the Muslims, even when they do not possess a state of their own, to organise themselves into a well-knit community which should function under one leader.

Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman said, "People used to ask the Prophet (saw) about good things, but I used to ask him about bad things because I was afraid that they might overtake me. I said, 'O Messenger of Allah, we were lost in ignorance (Jahiliyyah) and evil, then Allah brought this good (Islam). Will some evil come after this good thing?' He said, 'Yes'. I asked, 'And will some good come after that evil?' He said, 'Yes, but it will be tainted with some evil.' I asked, 'How will it be tainted?' He said, 'There will be some people who will lead others on a path different from mine. YOu will see good and bad in them.' I asked, 'Will some evil come after that good?' He said, 'Some people will be standing and calling at the gates of Hell; whoever responds to their call, they will throw him into the Fire.' I said, 'O Messenger of Allah, describe them for us.' He said, 'They will be from our own people, and will speak our language.' I asked, 'What do you advise me to do if I should live to see that?' He said, 'Stick to the main body (Jammah) of the Muslims and their leader (Imam).' I asked, 'What if there is no main body and no leader?' He said, 'Isolate yourself from all of these sects even if you have to eat the roots of the trees until death overcomes you while you are in that state.'" (Bukhari, Kitab al-Fitan, 9/65)

The Imam referred to here (according to sheikh Imran Hoosein) is the Ameer or leader of the jamah whose authority is constituted through the act of bai'ah or oath of allegiance.

[conversionstudy]

Asalaamualaykum.

As you say that there are differences on establishment of Amirate it would be nice to know what these differences actually are.

One can still have an amir without there even being a khalif as this is the situation today.

Hey Celt, due to what appears to be bigoted narrow-mindedness, my thread has been removed. Oh well, at least someone feels big and 'holier than thou' for it. I still can't get hold of you on facebook, nor can I PM you! If you go to this page, you can find another advert I placed and how to contact me. I would be most grateful if you did.

Salam

[al_Zayn]

Hey Celt, due to what appears to be bigoted narrow-mindedness, my thread has been removed. Oh well, at least someone feels big and 'holier than thou' for it. I still can't get hold of you on facebook, nor can I PM you! If you go to this page, you can find another advert I placed and how to contact me. I would be most grateful if you did.

Salam

Just to let you know, i did not move the thread nor is it within my capabilities.

Best thing for you to do is go to the shi`a forums to find those who converted to shi`ism, im sure you'll hear alot of tales there.

And lastly, just because the thread has been removed doesn't mean i have.

With peace.

[conversionstudy]

Just to let you know, i did not move the thread nor is it within my capabilities.

Best thing for you to do is go to the shi`a forums to find those who converted to shi`ism, im sure you'll hear alot of tales there.

And lastly, just because the thread has been removed doesn't mean i have.

With peace.

I meant not to point the finger at anyone in particular. Not sure what gave you the idea that I thought it was you, but sorry if it seemed that way. I don't know who deleted the thread, but they got in the way of my research. Very annoying.

[shaks]

[QUOTE=celt islam;294007]Asalaamualaykum.

As you say that there are differences on establishment of Amirate it would be nice to know what these differences actually are.

One can still have an amir without there even being a khalif as this is the situation today.[/QUOT

assalaamualaykum brother has it occured to you that some may not see it right to discuss controversial issues that could be a hot topic in an open forum viewed by all including our non muslim brothers.