what is taqleed .............? how can i convince others on this .... help me out

[big_boss_nofal]

In kalam ul mufeed by molana sarfraz safdar , musalim as saboot , fawatah rahmoot :

"Taqleed is meant by the following Ghair (other than nabi) without daleel.
to follow nabi's ahkaam is not taqleed as it the hujjat,
similarly
ruju to mufti is also not taqleed as acc to Fasalu Ahlaz zikri its also hujjat ,
similarly
ruju of Qazi to Adool is not taqleed as acc to Miman tarzouna manish shohada its also hujjat."

molana sarfraz says in minhaj ul wazeh :
taqleed is confirm diff thing and itteba and itaat is different thing.


now what is meant by taqleed .... which we follow...?

i met Molana Abdullah in Jamia Ashrafia lahore

he said that many ulema of past like Ibn taimiyah , ibn qayyam , etc and tody saudi ulema claim taqleed is haram

he also said that saudi ulema are ghair muqalid , but u can offer salah behind them.... they r not wrong

he gave me hujja tullah al baligha as gift . which have all masalas same as that of ahle hadith ........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


I AM TOTALLY CONFUSED BROTHERS..............
IF IT IS SO SIMPLE THEN WHAT IS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US AND aHLE HADITHS........?
WHY ME R DIFF FROM THEM......?

WHY SAUDIS R RIGHT AND INDO PAKI GHAIR MUQALIDS R WRONG...?

I M DISCUSSING WITH SOME WAHHABI FREINDS ...
PLZ GUID N HELP ME IN THIS CONTEXT...
THEY ALWAYS GIVE ME COMPLETE REFERENCES ,,, AND THEN I BECOME UN ANSWEREABLE AFTER CHECKING N READING THOSE REFERENCES...

PLZ GUIDE

Molana Abdullah Deobandi of jamia ashrafia told me:

that saudi ulema are hambli but ghair muqalids.
they study the fiqah but when they find any fatwa against quran or hadith they leave it and start follow quran n hadith.
and they call it bidah (also ibn taimiyah, ibn qayyam, bin baaz , uthemein , fozan etc)
but they r right...
then why they are right?



the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Baaz said:

my all fatawas are base on Quran n Hadith .... not on the basis of Hamblis or other taqleed.
<Wal iqna...
mujallah al arqam>


Hazrat Hussain Ahmed Madni says:

" Wahhabi call themselves Hambli but they are not to the Madhab of Ibn Hamble ... whenever they find any Hadith against imam saying .. they left Imam and follow Hadith....they are same as Ghair Muqalideen of Hind....."
<Shahaab e Saqib.. pg 45>

same word are found in the books of other Sunni ulemas

in the books
<Haashia Sharah Muslim>
<wahhaabi kon >


guide me plzz

i asked that before but no one answere me satisfactorily

plzz

[mind&soul4ALLAH]

Akhi i experience the same problem, in my university. it is disgusting and humiliating to try and convince someone that they are wrong and blinded, these peopl forget that Muslims are of need of not petty arguements, but of leadership, brotherhood and sisterhood. people, including myself, become ignorant on the small actions however extremly large rewards of the simple ABC aspects of Islam, keep yourself steadfast upon establishing the sunnah and learnng the Quran through a scholar, the more you argue the more you debate the more you will fall, as you need "ilm" to debate, and knowledge seems very cheap these days, fatwa this and that . com etc, never the less in all the time seek the guidance and benefits of a reliable scholar.

i hope this helps inshaAllah


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Question) Why do we need an Imam ?? Isn't Taqleed = Blind Following ?? Please explain the statements of Mujtahid Imams.

Answer)

Extracting Law and Taqleed:

There are certain commandments in the Quran and Sunnah which a lay person can understand. For example:

"Do not back bite" (Surah al-Hujaraat: 12)

There are some statements which seem to contradict other verses of the Quran or a Hadith. For example, the Prophet S.A.W said in a Hadith:

"Whoever has an Imam, then the Imam's recitation is his recitation."

This seems to indicate while the Imam is reciting in Salaat, the follower should remain silent.

However, another Hadith says:

"There is no salaat for he who does not recite Surah Al-Fatiha."

This seems to indicate that everyone should recite Surah Fatiha. The question arises whether the first Hadith should be taken as the primary sourch referring to the Imam or the one who offers salaat individually and the second Hadith explained as a corrobborating evidence; or should we make the second hadith the base and the first Hadith refers to the Imam's recitation after he recites Surah Fatiha.



Needless to say from the above examples, the process of extrapolating rules from the Quran and Sunnah can be complicated. One soultion is that we exercise our understanding and insight in such issues in order to make our judgments and rulings. Another solution could be that instead of making independent rulings ourselves, we look into what the predecessors ruled concering these issues.



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The concept of Taqleed in the Quran:



"O you who believe! Follow Allah' follow the Messenger and those of authority (Amr) amongst you."



"And when there comes to them a matter concerning (public) safety or fear, they relay it. If they had only referred it to the Messenger and to those of authority (Amr), those who can investigate and extract (information) among them would know (the rumor's validity)..."



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Blind Following:



Ibn Hamam and Ibn Nujaim, both define Taqleed thus:



"Taqleed is to follow the opinion of a person - whose opinion is not a proof in Islamic law - without asking for his [the person followed] proof."



This statement has clarified the fact that a person who practices Taqleed (the Muqallid) does not hold the opinion of the one whom he follows (the Mujtahid) as a source of Islamic law because the source for Islamic law are confined to the Quran and Sunnah (both Ijma and Qiyas [analogy] are derived from the Quran and Sunnah). The only reason why a Muqallid follows an Imam is because of the conviction that the Mujtahid has inisights into the Quran and Sunnah (which he, the follower, does not posses) by which the Mujtahid is able to understand their meanings, in this regard the follower has relied upon the Imams' opinion. Perceived in this perspective Taqleed cannot in all fairness, perceived be equaled with shirk nor blind following.



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The Statements of Mujtahid Imams themselves:



Contentions that the Imams themselves have prohibited the following of their opinions until they have discovered the proofs and that if their opinions conflict with any Hadith, they should smite their opinions against the wall and practice the Hadith, are of course true. However, to do justice to such statements, one would have to conclude that they are NOT addressed to people who do not possess the faculty of Ijtihad. Rather, they were appealing to those scholars who were capable of Ijtihad. Shah Waliyyullah of Delhi has summarized such statements thus:



"These statements can be assessed against those who have some ability to exercise Ijtihad......."



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Imam Abu Hanifa RUA:



Imam Abu Hanifa RUA was a Tabi, who met 4 Sahaba RAU. He was born in one of the Best generations. His time was very close to Prophet SAW. Opinions of MODERN DAY scholars hold NO weight against the rulings of the people of "Khair ul Quroon" (the best 3 generations).



Following an Imam:



Everyone has to do the Taqleed of someone. There is not a single person who doesn't do the Taqleed. As of those who deny the Taqleed of four Imams, they do the Taqleed of Ibn Tamiya. We always need someone to guide us.



The way of "Ahle-Sunnah Wal Jamaat" is that we follow the opinions and practices of the Best of the Generations. Sahaba RAU directly learned from Prophet S.A.W and understood the meaning far better than anyone can understand now.



Conclusion:



I once began to believe that it was not necessary to follow an Imam. However, I only held this view until I learned the other side. After reading the books of both Ahle-Hadees and Ahle-Sunnah I, personally, came to the conclusion that Ahle-sunnah wal Jamaat is the way.

Therefore, I can only invite and ask brothers and sisters to do thorough research on this subject. Read the books that support and explain why we should do Taqleed of one of the Imams and answer all the questions raised by Ahle-Hadees.



Well, at least look at both sides. This link contains books that explain the importance of Taqleed:



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[big_boss_nofal]

thnx for reply...

brother when i present the proof of our ulema to them that :

u also do taqleed of ur ulemas when u ask any masla....
the case of judge aboout witness .....
to follow Nabi etc

they show me the defination of taqleed by molana sarfraz, fawateh rahmoot , musalim as saboot etc,
acc to which its not taqleed.


then i want to know from u that what is the meaning of taqleed ?

[abdulwahhab]

No, you are right. They are doing taqleed since they are not doing any ijtihad themselves! Ask them if they personally derived any ruling and if they know ALL the rulings of all their acts in fiqh and the various ahadeeth as well as the strength of the ahadeeth that are attributed to the particular act and how they selected the most appropriate understanding of those ahadeeth. They will refer you to some scholar's opinion then tell them, you have the same right of referring to an 'alim or a mujtahid. Also, it is a fact that not all ghair muqallid follow the same fiqh.

[mind&soul4ALLAH]

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[abulayl]

those who allready got an idea of non-muqallid its really hard to convienced them for being a muqallid. well leave them. i personally say: i dont have a lot of time to find the evidence and also have no idea about sciensce of fiqh so i am muqallid. if they are able to judge the hadiths, may allah help them.

[al_Zayn]

Shakyh Ibn Taymiyyah [Ra] says:

تقليد العاجز عن الا ستدلال فيجوه الجمهور

"As for Taqleed of one not able of deducing from the evidences, the Majority of the Scholars permit it".

[Minjah al Sunna vol.2 p142]


Also In his Majmoo` al Fatawa he says:

"Wat-Taqlid jaaiz lil-Aajiz a`nil Ijtihad"

"Taqleed is permitted for those incapable of deducing opinions from evidences [Ijthihad]"

[Majmoo` al Fatawa, vol11 pt.2 pg. 91]

[Fixxxer]

If we take defination of molana sarfraz safdar in kalam ul mufeed that:
"Taqleed is meant by the following Ghair (other than nabi) without daleel. to follow nabi's ahkaam is not taqleed as it the HUJJAT, similarly ruju to mufti is also not taqleed as according to Fasalu Ahlaz zikri its also hujjat, similarly ruju of Qazi to Adool is not taqleed as according to Miman tarzouna manish shohada its also hujjat."
This Statment show that Taqleed is simply blind following

Brother mind&soul4Allah posted:

Extracting Law and Taqleed:

There are certain commandments in the Quran and Sunnah which a lay person can understand. For example:

"Do not back bite" (Surah al-Hujaraat: 12)

There are some statements which seem to contradict other verses of the Quran or a Hadith. For example, the Prophet S.A.W said in a Hadith:

"Whoever has an Imam, then the Imam's recitation is his recitation."

This seems to indicate while the Imam is reciting in Salaat, the follower should remain silent.

However, another Hadith says:

"There is no salaat for he who does not recite Surah Al-Fatiha."

This seems to indicate that everyone should recite Surah Fatiha. The question arises whether the first Hadith should be taken as the primary sourch referring to the Imam or the one who offers salaat individually and the second Hadith explained as a corrobborating evidence; or should we make the second hadith the base and the first Hadith refers to the Imam's recitation after he recites Surah Fatiha.



Needless to say from the above examples, the process of extrapolating rules from the Quran and Sunnah can be complicated. One soultion is that we exercise our understanding and insight in such issues in order to make our judgments and rulings. Another solution could be that instead of making independent rulings ourselves, we look into what the predecessors ruled concering these issues.

This issue has already been resolved by corelating both ahadith to the third one in which Rasool Allah (SAW) ask Sahabah (RA) to recite Fatiha but not to do rest of Qirat in Thirmidhi and Masnad Ahmad with Sahih chains.
Further more issues like this do not allow taqleed in its original meaning (i.e. Taqleed is meant by the following Ghair (other than nabi) without daleel).
Nothing is accepted without daleel.

Brother mind&soul4Allah posted:
The concept of Taqleed in the Quran:
"O you who believe! Follow Allah' follow the Messenger and those of authority (Amr) amongst you."

If we read the Ayat completely then the issue is clear
O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #59)
so if there is any difference between us including people who are in authority we have to refer it to Allah and his messenger (SAW).
Rasool Allah (SAW) said (translation of meaning)
"there is no following in the disobeying of Allah"
There was a deobandi scholar named "Mehmood Hasan Deobandi" in his book "Adla Kamila" means "Answer to the ten Questions of Ghair Muqallid" Published by "Qadeemi Book Store, near Aram Bagh Karachi" he has done tehreef in the same ayat of Quran by changing arabic and translation just to prove taqleed from Quran.

Contentions that the Imams themselves have prohibited the following of their opinions until they have discovered the proofs and that if their opinions conflict with any Hadith, they should smite their opinions against the wall and practice the Hadith, are of course true. However, to do justice to such statements, one would have to conclude that they are NOT addressed to people who do not possess the faculty of Ijtihad. Rather, they were appealing to those scholars who were capable of Ijtihad. Shah Waliyyullah of Delhi has summarized such statements thus:

"These statements can be assessed against those who have some ability to exercise Ijtihad......."

so if vertain issue from imam which has been found against Quran and Sunnah and Mujtahid has adressed this issue and corrected the situation according to Quran and Sunnah then you will follow whome ?
Shiekh bin baz have said the same thing
my all fatawas are base on Quran n Hadith... not on the basis of Hamblis or other taqleed.
so Ghair muqallid follow bin baz if he is proving his point from Quran and Sunnah.

as our beloved Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) Said:
"It is not permitted for anyone to accept our views if they do not know from where we got them."

Belovd Imam Shafai said:
"The Muslims are unanimously agreed that if a sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) is made clear to someone, it is not permitted for him to leave it for the saying of anyone else."

Beloved Imam Ahmad bin Hambal cleared his point by saying:
"Do not follow my opinion; neither follow the opinion of Maalik, nor Shaafi'i, nor Awzaa'i, nor Thawri, but take from where they took."

Allah (ST) says in Quran:
"Follow (O men!) the revelation given to you from your Lord, and follow not, as friends and protectors, other than Him. Little is it you remember of admonition."

Therefore, I can only invite and ask brothers and sisters to do thorough research on this subject. Read the books that support and explain why we should do Taqleed of one of the Imams and answer all the questions raised by Ahle-Hadees.

do you mean that we should do research to become Muqallid?
and answer Ahl-e-Hadith ?
ok do research but do not follow Tehreef in Quran and Sunnah only to prove your point.

those who allready got an idea of non-muqallid its really hard to convienced them for being a muqallid. well leave them. i personally say: i dont have a lot of time to find the evidence and also have no idea about sciensce of fiqh so i am muqallid. if they are able to judge the hadiths, may allah help them.

it is hard coz they have prove ?
leave them coz you do not have time for this? but you have time to post other little issues on the same forum.

May Allah Show us Haq as Haq and give us Power to accept it, May Allah Show Us Batil As Batil and give us Power to refrain from it...Ameen

[Umm Sabr]

Does anyone have a e link to the English translation of this book please

“Differences of the imams” by Hazrat Maulana Zakariya (RUA)

[muslim forever]

Does anyone have a e link to the English translation of this book please

“Differences of the imams” by Hazrat Maulana Zakariya (RUA)

Salaam,

Im not sure if that book can be found online....but The legal status of following a Madhab by Mufti Taqi Usmani Sahib can be found online: http://www.cometoislam.com/fiqh/legal/main.htm

As for Differences of the Imams, u can get this book from IPCI or Amsons on Coventry Rd, Small Heath. I think it would only cost like £4 roughly, if im not confusin it with another book.

Wasalaam