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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman
    Wahabis are Hanbali, while so-called salafis(pathless) have no madhab, they tend to follow everyone who differs with either Imam Abu Hanifah(Rahimahullah), or the schools of jurisprudence, no offense.

    I've read/heard this before that some of muslims have ill feeling towards Abu Hanifah (rahimallah), I'm sorry I don't follow those individuals who show disrespect towards some of the ulema. Also some have extremely different agenda today, I mean people will have different stances towards one another "however" I don't think it's necessary to be giving a label out of slander and disrespect if the person is not being disrespectul towards someone else. Also you given people the title pathless? My argument (and for others muslim who have the fantasy of labeling others) is that do you feel like you'll die as a muslim, akhi, we're not guranteed that. Don't you agree!
    Quote Originally Posted by Usman
    Shah Ismaeel Shaheed Al-Hanafi [Rahimahullah] was the first person in the Indian Subcontinent, to be called a wahabi. Therefore, the interchangable thing is baseless. The leader of the pathless, Nawab Siddiq Hasan Khan -[although, he was neither a nawab,nor was he a khan,just to add] - even wrote a complete book against Wahabism, it's name was "Tarjuman-e-Wahabiyah". It should be noted that Mr.Siddiq Hasan khan was among the forefathers of the "Ahl-e-Hadeeth" sect in the subcontinent , in his book "Tarjuman-e-Wahabiya" he states :

    چنانچہ لیفٹنینٹ گورنرصاحب بہادر موصوف نے اس درخواست کو منظور کیا اور پھر ایک اشتہار اس مضمون کا دیا گیا کہ موحدین ہند(غیر مقلد) پر شبہ بدخواہی گورنمنٹ ہند عامۃ نہ ہو، خصوصاً جو لوگ وہابیانِ ملک ہزارہ سے نفرت رکھتے ہوں اور گورنمنٹ ہند کے خیر خواہ ہوں، ایسے موحدین مخاطب یہ وہابی نہ ہوں۔

    "Therefore Liutenent Governor Mr.Bahadur accepted the application, and an ad over the subject was given, that the Monotheists of India(ahle-hadeeth Jamaat) should not be considered as bad-thinkers for the Indian government in general, especially those, who hate the WAHABIS of Hazarah and have good intentions for the indian government, should not be called "Wahabi"."
    (Tarjuman-e-Wahabiyah, Page 62)
    This is what is stated in india, however other parts of the world (just like various media outlets) have given the interchangable part for wahabi as to mean as a salafi, now present this book to other channels and I'm sure you'll have different outtakes on it
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    Ibrahim al-Harbi said, ‘I heard Ahmad Ibn Hanbal say, ‘If you love that Allah should keep you upon that which you love, then remain upon that which He loves, and the good is in the one who sees no good in himself.”

    Refer to al-adab shariah (2/31) by Ibn Muflih


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    I've read/heard this before that some of muslims have ill feeling towards Abu Hanifah (rahimallah), I'm sorry I don't follow those individuals who show disrespect towards some of the ulema. Also some have extremely different agenda today, I mean people will have different stances towards one another "however" I don't think it's necessary to be giving a label out of slander and disrespect if the person is not being disrespectul towards someone else. Also you given people the title pathless? My argument (and for others muslim who have the fantasy of labeling others) is that do you feel like you'll die as a muslim, akhi, we're not guranteed that. Don't you agree!
    The term pathless is the english translation for "La madhab", which is commonly used in the educational gatherings, and writings, for those who don't have a madhab. Only if you had been paying much attention, you would have come to know, that I never said that the la madhabiyah(pathless) disrespect Imam Abu Hanifah, i said they are a collection of people, who tend to differ with fiqh hanafi -(mostly),Imam Abu Hanifah, or the schools of thought.

    The arabian world used the term wahabi also, for the followers of Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab al-Najdi, who destroyed tombs, and chopped down the trees upon which "nazr" was been asked, and other places of Shirk.

    The question was simple, that do the wahabis follow the hanbali fiqh or not? so the simple answer is, "yes, the real wahabis, do follow fiqh hanbali."


    This should be sufficient from my side. عقلمند کے لیئے اشارہ ہی کافی ہے
    پڑھ پڑھ عالم فاضل ہویا کدے اپنے آپ نوں پڑھیا نہیں
    جا جا وَڑدا مندرمسیتی کدی نفس اپنے وچ وَڑیا ای نہیں

    لڑدا ایں روز شیطان نال کدی نفس اپڑے نال توں لڑیا ای نہیں
    بلھے شاہ اسمانی اُڈدیاں پھَڑدا ایں جہڑا گھر بیٹھا اونوں پھڑیا ای نہیں

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman
    The term pathless is the english translation for "La madhab", which is commonly used in the educational gatherings, and writings, for those who don't have a madhab. Only if you had been paying much attention, you would have come to know, that I never said that the la madhabiyah(pathless) disrespect Imam Abu Hanifah, i said they are a collection of people, who tend to differ with fiqh hanafi -(mostly),Imam Abu Hanifah, or the schools of thought.

    I didn't say you but there are others who tend to use the 'interchangeable parts' salafi = wahabi, I'm sure only in your circle you don't deem that is the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Usman
    The arabian world used the term wahabi also, for the followers of Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab al-Najdi, who destroyed tombs, and chopped down the trees upon which "nazr" was been asked, and other places of Shirk.
    I know he destroyed tombs from a hadith that supports that about leveling the graves and such, now as far as chopping down the trees in which the muslims were making dua for that is new to me, there is always something new to learn. I guess the shaykh (rahimallah) stressed more about muslims committing shirk than others, some of the muslims put it in the back of their head and may think less of it, and therefore it peeved off many. There is a realization that sometimes you just can't please everyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Usman
    The question was simple, that do the wahabis follow the hanbali fiqh or not? so the simple answer is, "yes, the real wahabis, do follow fiqh hanbali."
    Like I stated before people tend to use the word to serve their own propaganda
    Take care
    Ibrahim al-Harbi said, ‘I heard Ahmad Ibn Hanbal say, ‘If you love that Allah should keep you upon that which you love, then remain upon that which He loves, and the good is in the one who sees no good in himself.”

    Refer to al-adab shariah (2/31) by Ibn Muflih


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