Darul Uloom Azaadville, South Africa
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As-salaamu alaykum,
Does anyone know if Madrassa Arabia Islamia in Azaadville requires a student to learn Urdu? If anyone knows a great madrassa that teaches Hanafi fiqh in South Africa that doesn't require someone to learn Urdu please post that info. The last time I was visiting SA I spent a week at the Darul Uloom in Capetown but that institute was shafi'i though.
Yes at Azaadville you must learn Urdu
Newcastle teaches in English
Physical Address: 26 St. Thomas Street, Lennoxton, 2940, South Africa
Postal address: P.O.Box 786, Newcastle, South Africa, 2940
Telephone: +27 34 317 1612
Originally Posted by AbuBakralHanafi
Our Madrassah (Madrassah Inaamiyyah, Camperdown) does require you to stdy Urdu as a subject but the classes are taught in english.
W-Salam Maulana,
Our Madrassah (Madrassah Inaamiyyah, Camperdown) does require you to stdy Urdu as a subject but the classes are taught in english.
Why don't the Darul-ulooms teach in Arabic?
Urdu is very easy to learn and very beneficial.
The classes are in English for the first year and the major portion of the second. Even after that, many/most of the teachers teach in English.
The two main Darul Ulum's in SA - Azadville and Zakariyya- both teach through the medium of Urdu. While you could go elsewhere, the quality is not the same, in my opinion.
I would advise you to go to Azadville and study. You will have teachers who are not only really experianced, but are also Awliya of Allah.
The enviroment there is also really conducive to studying.
Good Question Brother Muadh.
Arabic is taught as a Language but not used as a medium to teach, this is definitely a short coming and needs to be corrected to enjoy perfection is the Arabic language
Teching in Arabic!
Asslamo Allaikum,
I have studied deen from what Sunniforum folks would call “Non-Traditional” Ulama & I am highly surprised about teaching Deen in Urdu or English.
This means that the original writings are being translated and taught 2nd hand. Why not learn in the original language that they were written in?
I am not being judgemental because I have neither studied at a traditional Madrasa nor have any experience, just being curios and I would like to listen to an explanation of this matter by the Ulama.
You seem to have misunderstood
The books are all in Arabic. The students have all studied Arabic and understand it . The teacher translates the passage into Urdu/English, then explains it in either Urdu/English.
Just as in every Arab Country in the world, the lessons are not explained in Arabic, but rather in their local slang. There are just a few institutes in the Arab world, where all the teaching is done in Arabic.
Some time last year I sent a fax to about 15 of our Local Jamiat offices requesting them to explain to me why they are teaching Urdu at our elementary Madaaris.
One of my objections was that not all of our students are INDIAN there are Black African, Malays and Coloureds and these poor kids are forced to learn a language that they are neither familiar with nor will they ever use outside the classroom because at home there mother tongues are being used (English, Afrikaan, Zulu etc..)
Needless to say I have not received one reply to date…….
Mufti AK on this issue
Respected Mufti saheb
Asalamualykum
What is the purpose for introducing URDU in our Madressa (from class one
+) syllabus? Not all students are Indians and besides why not spend more
time on learning Arabic rather then URDU. This is a huge concern in the
Malay communities and has become a much heated debate when talking about
Racism. Moulana Wajid Kaldine always talks about this and mentions that
it was one of the main reason why Darul Uloom Newcastle was nice because
they did not and I quote his wors "force URDU down our throats" Who can
I take this up with at a higher level?
Shukran
Assalaamu alaikum
I totally agree - speak to the Jamiats etc.
Abdool Kader Hoosen
mufti@telkomsa.net
Assalamu Alaikum
Do they still teach Urdu in the Maktabs?
Is it only in Gauteng or in other provinces as well?
Been years since I visited a maktab, but as far as I remmebr Urdu is not taught at any Maktabs here in KZN. I could be wrong.
The answer to why they are teaching it, seems quite simple.
The same reason we had Afrikaans forced down our throats for so many years.
Language is said to play a part in the conditioning.
I don't agree with teaching it, but it does seem to make sense.
As for teaching it - not using it as a medium- in a Darul Ulum, I totally agree with that. Without Urdu one is unable to reap benefit from the tons of literature written by our Indo-Pak Ulama.
Also, ask the Newcastle Ulama who spent one-year in Jamat, what is there greatest regret.
Many will tell you, "Not having learnt Urdu!".
And Allah Ta'ala knows best
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