Darul Uloom Azaadville, South Africa

[mospike]

Wasalaam

Your best bet will be to contact the Darul Uloom and ask for this person. The telephone number for the Darul Uloom is 011 413 2786

Miskien moet jy die MJC bel op 012 696 5155 amper almal van die Ulama van die MJC praat Afrikaans and soms van hulle het met Crissies se skool op ge grooi

[S'aad Bekker]

Wasalaam

Your best bet will be to contact the Darul Uloom and ask for this person. The telephone number for the Darul Uloom is 011 413 2786

Miskien moet jy die MJC bel op 012 696 5155 amper almal van die Ulama van die MJC praat Afrikaans and soms van hulle het met Crissies se skool op ge grooi

Jazak'Allah Brother,

The challenge is however that only a person who grew up as an Afrikaans speaking Protestant Christian would really understand the actual mindset of such Christians. Moslems wat Afrikaans kan praat en wat saam met Chrissies opgegroei het sal sekere dinge nie weet nie, en ek dink, soos Allah wil, wanneer 'n mens met die Chrissies debatteer moet jy presies weet wat hulle geleer was anders mis mens die punt.

Dis soos 'n Christen wat baie Moslem vriende het en dalk selfs saam met Moslems opgegroei het: sulke Christene dink hulle weet wat Moslems regtig glo, maar hulle weet nie eintlik nie: in elk geval dit is my ervaring.

Maar baie dankie vir die telefoon nommer: ek sal soos Allah wil Azaadville skakel.

Mooi dag vir jou: mag Allah jou ryklik seën: alle lof kom Allah toe.

[S'aad Bekker]

Assalamu Alaykum,

I was also wondering: do we have a similar forum like this "Sunni Forum" but which is more South African?

I find this "Sunni Forum" quite interesting but also feel the need for such a local forum, insha'Allah.

Sincerely,

Assalamu Alaykum.

[islambosnia]

Wasalaam

Your best bet will be to contact the Darul Uloom and ask for this person. The telephone number for the Darul Uloom is 011 413 2786

Miskien moet jy die MJC bel op 012 696 5155 amper almal van die Ulama van die MJC praat Afrikaans and soms van hulle het met Crissies se skool op ge grooi

i have intention to study there, but im first going to make masoora with the brothers here in melbourne.... when does the year start and does it follow islamic calender?

[safwaan.suleman]

Assalaamu 'Alaikum. Who is the current Mufti of Darul Uloom Azaadville?

[abdullahnana]

The school year starts after Ramadhan, and will be around Sept. 20, 2010. You can contact them to get the calender for the next year

i have intention to study there, but im first going to make masoora with the brothers here in melbourne.... when does the year start and does it follow islamic calender?

[abdullahnana]

The current Mufti of Azaadville is our respected Ustadh Mufti Saeed Mutara (May Allah perpetuate his blessings). He is one of the senior Muftis of South Africa and studied the science of Fatwa under the Grand Mufti of Deoband, Mufti Mahmood (May Allah have mercy on him). Mufti Saeed Mutara speaks fluent English and writes fluent English. He has been teaching for over 25 years and serves on the Mufti Board of South Africa (Jamiatul Mufteen). He is a great Mufti and I would recommend that Muslims benefit from his knowledge.

Assalaamu 'Alaikum. Who is the current Mufti of Darul Uloom Azaadville?

[Talhah]

I don't have details of those courses, the respective madaris or graduates of it could be contacted for more info.
Ml. Abd al-Maliks Madrasah is also in the centre of the capital, to the best of my knowledge.



Newcastle doesn't offer any spe******ed courses. It isn't one of the stronger ilmi Madrasahs, and doesn't have much really senior top teachers.
Camperdown is supposed to start a takhussus in hadith course, however that hasn't materialised.
Ml. Muhammad Harun of Camperdown is a master in hadith especially Ulum al-hadith.
If one could study under it, it would be really worth it.



Mufti Amjad is a recent teacher at the Madrasah, after my time. I know him well however.
I heard from some of the students that they enjoy his advices and explanations of the ahadith concerning Zuhd and Tasawwuf etc.

The Allamah of the Madrasah is Ml. Fazlur Rahman Azmi, the Shaykh al-Hadith. One of his kind, involved in every Dini activity, a walking library and an unmatched embodiment of the Sunnah.

I used to pride myself on my knowledge of books in my Madrasah days, being incharge of the library for 5 of my 6 years there.
Ml. Fazlur Rahman used to call me "Kutub Khana ka kira" ( a book worm), because whenever he asked for a book, I would know if it was in the library and exactly where it stayed therein.
Yet, in spite of this, in the final year, when he would start quoting books ad speaking about the respective merits of each, I found myself drowning in the sea of knowledge pouring fourth from him, so you can imagine the state of the others in my class.


No idea, but the principal, Ml. Abd al-hamid is heavily into Tawassuf and is one of the major Shuyukh of our country.

Assalamu-'alaykum

Are many of the ulama of azadville associated with Hadhrat Hakeem Muhammad Akhtar sahib?

wassalaam

[shatibi]

Assalamu-'alaykum

Are many of the ulama of azadville associated with Hadhrat Hakeem Muhammad Akhtar sahib?

wassalaam

Others can add more , but I think both the Shaykh al-Hadith and the Muhtamim are khulafa of Hadrat Hakim Akhtar sahib.

[Adam_Amin]

Urdu is very easy to learn and very beneficial.
The classes are in English for the first year and the major portion of the second. Even after that, many/most of the teachers teach in English.

The two main Darul Ulum's in SA - Azadville and Zakariyya- both teach through the medium of Urdu. While you could go elsewhere, the quality is not the same, in my opinion.

I would advise you to go to Azadville and study. You will have teachers who are not only really experianced, but are also Awliya of Allah.
The enviroment there is also really conducive to studying.

Assalam alaykum Brothers,
The oldest Darul Uloom in the English speaking world (i.e. outside of the Indo-Pakiskan subcontinent) is the Darul Uloom Newcastle which, as I understand, was established in the early 70s. The main mediums of instruction remain Arabic and English. In the first 2 years students are taught Arabic kitabs (books) through the medium of English. In fact the final exam in the first year is set in Arabic and all students are expected to answer in Arabic. If a student fails the first year Arabic language & grammar (Nahw and Sarf) exams he cannot progress to the 2nd year even if he got distinction in other subjects such as Fiqh, Hadith, etc.
From the 3rd year onwards the language of instruction/teaching at Darul Uloom Newcastle shifts to Arabic (fus-ha or classical Arabic). This depends mostly on the Alim teaching the subject. All Darul Uloom Newcastle teachers are fluent in spoken classical Arabic and can teach through it. This is why most graduates of Darul Uloom Newcastle are very good at Arabic language and very confident in it. Graduates from other Darul Ulooms such as Azaadville, Zakariyya, etc acknowledge and accept that Darul Uloom Newcastle students have an added advantage with the language. There is almost no debate in South Africa among ‘Ulama and students of Darul Ulooms that Newcastle has a superior programme and higher standard of teaching classical Arabic. The debate is on which Darul Uloom in South Africa produces the best students with an overall good training in all subjects. I know of a well known Alim who was at Darul Uloom Azaadville but because he did not want to study Urdu the Principal of Darul Uloom Azaadville (May Allah preserve him) told the ‘alim in question to go to Newcastle. I quote was he was told: “Newcastle is the best place to study through Arabic and I think you will benefit there more than you will benefit here.”
It is difficult to answer the question: which of the Darul Uloom has a better and higher standard of education? The answer depends on your cultural background and what you think a higher standard of education looks like. Students at Azaadville and Zakariyya study in a cultural environment which frowns upon independent critical thinking, asking questions, or challenging your teachers’ opinions on matters relating to the subject. At Newcastle students are strongly encouraged to think for themselves, to think critically, and to ask questions when they disagree with the position of their teachers. For some people, such an approach to Darul Uloom education reflects “a lack of adab” and is a sign that Darul Uloom Newcastle does not have “awliya” (pious scholars). Many people would disagree and argue that the Darul Uloom Newcastle philosophy of education is precisely what is needed in today’s world as it can produce ‘Ulama who are fast on their feet and can defend Islam in a world which is grown hostile to Islam.
I have spoken to a number of graduates from Darul Uloom Azaadvile and Zakariyya who secretly feel that if they had had their way they would have joined Newcastle but they did not want to go against the wishes of their parents. Darul Uloom Azaadville and Zakariyya are wealthier; they have more money than what Darul Uloom can dream of. If by “main Darul Ulooms in South Africa” we mean those with more money and larger land then Azaadville and Zakariyya are the main ones. But if we use different criteria such as the standard of education and the quality of graduates (their ability to work and function in today’s world) then Newcastle is way ahead. Most wealthy parents prefer to send their children to study at Azaadville and Zakariyya. Newcastle is very multiracial and multicultural; you study with students from different backgrounds and races, different parts of the world (including many from Arabic speaking countries), some are very wealthy and many are not wealthy (materially). But they all eat, play, sleep, and study together as a family.

For people living in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc, studying at Azaadville and Zakariyya will be a best option. But if you come from a country which does not speak Urdu and you are interested not only in studying the Kitaabs passively but analysing them with your teachers and challenging each other then Newcastle is the best place for you. I think the best way to judge which Darul Uloom is best for you is to look at what its graduates are doing. See if that is what you would want to do after you have completed your studies. All the Darul Ulooms in South Africa are great and in my opinion are the best in the world. But you have to choose the one that suits your personality and what you want to do in Islam. We cannot all do Tabligh Jamaat and we cannot all work as Imaams in the masjids, Islam expects some of us to do things differently.