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    Salaams. Brother I know it may seem right now like everyone is having a go at you but if you read the point in everyone's advice, they are trying to convince you to study Islam which is a blessing to mankind, mankind is NOT a blessing to Islam. So if you look at it this way, they are not doing it for themselves but with your benefit in mind inshaAllah. So I hope you extract that from their advice and take it into consideration, try overlook the tone SOME people use. ESPECIALLY on this forum. Point is, they do mean well. Having said that, there is a point I would like to make and it may come across a bit harsh so forgive me as I'm going to try word it carefully. You said:
    Quote Originally Posted by ImamGhazzaali View Post

    Brother if I am to stay away from laptop then I will be missing a lot of its benefits and I do not want to be amongst the persons who has no clue of technology.

    sacrifice is a sayyid.
    This bothered me a great deal to see you, anyone, say this. If you were to replace the word 'laptop' and 'technology' with the word 'islam' you would have made a beautiful statement. Go ahead and read it but instead of those words put 'islam' there and see what I mean lol. I hope that you see my point inshaAllah.
    Anyway, I wanted to tell you as well that if you are not comfortable with the strictness of these schools, there is always al azhar in Egypt who don't care what you wear/drive/hairstyle/laptop which from what I know is a very beneficial place in terms of knowledge... Spiritually, however, probably not so much. And it is exactly these worldly things that take it away from being spiritual. Instead of making zhikr, one is surfing the net. Instead of wearing a thawb, one wears a suit, instead of doing extra homework, one is being a tourist. In studying Islam, I strongly believe that one has to forget the outside world for those few years. And I'm talking here from my own experience and from others.

    Wallah, from my heart I really hope that you make a decision, any decision it doesnt matter to me where (to some extent) but as long as your decision includes studying our religion. Assalaamu'alaykum.


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    Default Re: Darul Uloom Azaadville, South Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by ImamGhazzaali View Post
    for the information. It is helpful and I appreciate it.

    If I do plan to come there, I will visit Mufti Ebrahim Desai a lot insha'Allaah.

    I need a Dar al-'Uloom that allows the following:

    - Laptop
    - Cell phone
    - Coloured clothing
    - Taught in English [ I am not interested in Urdu ]
    - Allows Thawb
    - Allows short, medium, or long hair
    - Allows to own a car
    - Good accomodation...also no indian toilet seats.....
    brother madressa cannot be the same as home you gotta make some sacrifices
    1.as far as laptop cell phones are concerned there is no darul uloom in south africa that allows this
    moreover if your cellphone is taken away in azaadville you will still get it back at the end of the year but in zakariya you will never get it back and i hear in camperdown they break the phone

    2. as far as azaadville goes they are very strict on clothing and zakariya as well has some new rules
    a slit kurta must be worn to class but outside of class you can wear a thawb

    3. urdu is a very good and useful language to know there is so much knowledge there that is neglected by us just because we see that its written in urdu and not arabic so for every student i feel it mandatory that he learn urdu

    4. once again azaadville strict on this but zakariya allows this but i have seen one very funny thing is that when an azaadville student finishes he has alot of love and reverance for the zulfa because for the past 6 years he couldnt keep it lol

    5. as far as owning a car azaadville allows that and i think so does zakariya but in azaadville there is a new rule where you must give your keys in to the office during the week and will recieve your keys on the days off.

    6. alhamdulillah i think all madressas in south africa have amazingly luxurious accomodations. in azaadville each of our rooms has 2 showers 2 toilets a whudhu area with 3 seats and a cooking area and plus the room is huge i think if you look at darul ulooms around the world you find that south african darul ulooms have the most comfortable living standards

    and brother you gotta give something up in the search of knowledge
    it wont come to you with ease
    the prerequisite of knowledge is sacrafice and determination
    may allah make it easy for you
    wsalaam
    Last edited by MullaG1; 15-08-2011 at 11:22 PM.
    قال الشافعي رحمه الله
    لقد زان البلاد ومن عليهـا... إمام المسلمين أبـو حنيفـة
    بأحكـامٍ وآثــار وفـقـهٍ ... كآيات الزبور على الصحيفة
    فما بالمشـرقين لـه نظيـر... ولا بالمغربيـن ولا بكوفـة
    فرحمـة ربنـا أبـداً عليـه ... مدى الأيام ما قرئت صحيفة


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    Quote Originally Posted by ImamGhazzaali View Post
    for the information. It is helpful and I appreciate it.

    If I do plan to come there, I will visit Mufti Ebrahim Desai a lot insha'Allaah.

    I need a Dar al-'Uloom that allows the following:

    - Laptop
    - Cell phone
    - Coloured clothing
    - Taught in English [ I am not interested in Urdu ]
    - Allows Thawb
    - Allows short, medium, or long hair
    - Allows to own a car
    - Good accomodation...also no indian toilet seats.....
    Bismihi Ta'ala

    Asalamualaikum.

    Dear Brother ImamGhazzaali,


    If these are your conditions then I suggest you study in the U.S., particularly Institute of Islamic Education (http://iieonline.org/).

    This school was founded by Maulana Naeem (RA) who was Shaykh ul Hadith at Darul Uloom Deoband. His son, Maulana Saleem (DB), is the one running the school. Maulana Saleem was head of the Qi'raat department as Darul Uloom Deoband.

    I don't know if you heard of Darul Uloom Online (http://darululum.org/), but the founder, Mufti Yasir, is the grand-child of Maulana Saleem (DB). Also he will be teaching at IIE this upcoming year InshAllah.

    As far as your concerns:

    1. Older student are allowed to have laptops, but you are not supposed to use them during the week. (Should get this checked though)

    2. Every-one has a cell phone, but obviously you don't use it unless necessary.

    3. You can wear whatever you want, any color.

    4. Your are taught in English. They heavily encourage the students to speak in Arabic. All the teachers are fluent fluent in Arabic Alhumdulillah.

    5. You can have any length of hair you want.

    6. A lot of students have cars, so yes you can if you want.

    7. It's America lol, so living conditions are pretty good Alhumdulillah. Of course they have western toilets.


    The school is very good in terms of Education, but to be honest I would say go over-seas and sacrifice. However, if one doesn't think they can do that, then do indeed enroll in the school.


    Some Graduates/Former Students

    1. Mufti Abrar Mirza - He did the Ifta course in South Africa and you can see some of his answers on askimam.

    2. Maulana Dr. Omar Hussaini (Khalifa of either Shaykh Zulfiqar or his student Shaykh Hussain Abdul Sattar) - http://www.pureway.org/shaykh_omar.php

    3. Maulana Amir Toft - Recently just graduated this summer. Translated a book written by Mufti Taqi Usmani.


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    Brother nike89x - shukran.

    Quote Originally Posted by maneatinglizard View Post
    to complete the Dars Nizami curriculum,
    any link in english for their cirriculum and what books are taught etc,. ?

    ylulat -

    shukran.

    Quote Originally Posted by siraj.m View Post
    everyone is having a go at you
    Somebody noticed it finally.

    there is a point I would like to make and it may come across a bit harsh so forgive me as I'm going to try word it carefully. You said:


    This bothered me a great deal to see you, anyone, say this. If you were to replace the word 'laptop' and 'technology' with the word 'islam' you would have made a beautiful statement. Go ahead and read it but instead of those words put 'islam' there and see what I mean lol. I hope that you see my point inshaAllah.
    Anyway, I wanted to tell you as well that if you are not comfortable with the strictness of these schools, there is always al azhar in Egypt who don't care what you wear/drive/hairstyle/laptop which from what I know is a very beneficial place in terms of knowledge... Spiritually, however, probably not so much. And it is exactly these worldly things that take it away from being spiritual. Instead of making zhikr, one is surfing the net. Instead of wearing a thawb, one wears a suit, instead of doing extra homework, one is being a tourist. In studying Islam, I strongly believe that one has to forget the outside world for those few years. And I'm talking here from my own experience and from others.
    Brother I am not searching pornographic materials on the internet. If you knew the benefits Islamically you wouldn't have said such a statement.

    I know a Mufti that wears a suit and doesn't have a fist long beard. I do not blame him nor criticize him because in his madhhab it may be allowed; alhamdulillah i do not try to force my view on others or look down upon others.

    By the way, it is either In'aamiyyah or Nu'maniyyah for me in south africa. I only know of these two to teach in English.

    Anyway, I believe enough damage has done to this thread and the topic has been diverted into attacking my opinion. Let us all return to the original topic of this thread.

    for the Naseehah,

    "Tasawwuf enlightens the heart through knowledge, action, and dhikr. Hazratism boxes a person into groupthink and promotes sectarian bigotry." Shaykh Hamzah Wald Maqbul.


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    Default Re: Darul Uloom Azaadville, South Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by ImamGhazzaali View Post



    Brother nike89x - shukran.



    any link in english for their cirriculum and what books are taught etc,. ?

    ylulat -

    shukran.



    Somebody noticed it finally.



    Brother I am not searching pornographic materials on the internet. If you knew the benefits Islamically you wouldn't have said such a statement.

    I know a Mufti that wears a suit and doesn't have a fist long beard. I do not blame him nor criticize him because in his madhhab it may be allowed; alhamdulillah i do not try to force my view on others or look down upon others.

    By the way, it is either In'aamiyyah or Nu'maniyyah for me in south africa. I only know of these two to teach in English.

    Anyway, I believe enough damage has done to this thread and the topic has been diverted into attacking my opinion. Let us all return to the original topic of this thread.

    for the Naseehah,


    Darse Nizami is just the name for the curriculum which pretty much all subcontinent based (so Deobandi madaris are included) use in their `Alim program.


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    Default Re: Darul Uloom Azaadville, South Africa

    Salaams ylulat! How are you? I just wanted to ask, it seems that the classes are only half an hour long? Is that right? JazakAllah kheir.


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    Quote Originally Posted by siraj.m View Post
    Salaams ylulat! How are you? I just wanted to ask, it seems that the classes are only half an hour long? Is that right? JazakAllah kheir.
    wsalaam
    alhamdullilah im good
    yes each period is half an hour
    the schedual is like this
    after fajr we have a short program which consists of quran tafseer and after that all the students are told to read yaseen after this attendance is taken then breakfast is served at 645
    first class starts at 7:40 am and carries on till 10:10 so that is 5 periods then we get a break for 20 mins till 1030 then we have classes till 1230 which is another 4 periods 12:45 is dhuhr salaah and then we have another 4 periods in the afternoon which all depend on the time of asr.
    classes start 2 hours before asr athaan so if example asr is at 6pm then classes will start at 4pm which means that from 1230 to 4 pm you have time to rest in the summer months you get alot of time there but in the winter months its a bit hectic since u only get about an hour to eat n rest. then after asr we have food and rest till maghrib then from after maghrib till 9pm we have mutalla which is basically study time then after 9 wer free and lights in the boarding go out at 11pm. sundays schedule is a bit different since its only a half day so classes start at 740 and carry on till 1110 with no break in between so its 7 straight periods then we are off till maghrib then there is mutalaa till 9
    قال الشافعي رحمه الله
    لقد زان البلاد ومن عليهـا... إمام المسلمين أبـو حنيفـة
    بأحكـامٍ وآثــار وفـقـهٍ ... كآيات الزبور على الصحيفة
    فما بالمشـرقين لـه نظيـر... ولا بالمغربيـن ولا بكوفـة
    فرحمـة ربنـا أبـداً عليـه ... مدى الأيام ما قرئت صحيفة


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    Default Re: Darul Uloom Azaadville, South Africa

    thanks for that brother ylulat. when are you landing back in south africa? alhumdulilah i got my visa today gonna book the ticket now inshaAllah

    and is half an hour enough? or do some classes take two of the periods making it an hour? and do you go from class to class or is it in one big hall? i know im going to find out in a few weeks inshaAllah but im pretty excited and nervous lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by siraj.m View Post
    thanks for that brother ylulat. when are you landing back in south africa? alhumdulilah i got my visa today gonna book the ticket now inshaAllah

    and is half an hour enough? or do some classes take two of the periods making it an hour? and do you go from class to class or is it in one big hall? i know im going to find out in a few weeks inshaAllah but im pretty excited and nervous lol.


    Make sure to allow is to benefit from what you learn when you get the chance.


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    Default Re: Darul Uloom Azaadville, South Africa

    Quote Originally Posted by siraj.m View Post
    thanks for that brother ylulat. when are you landing back in south africa? alhumdulilah i got my visa today gonna book the ticket now inshaAllah

    and is half an hour enough? or do some classes take two of the periods making it an hour? and do you go from class to class or is it in one big hall? i know im going to find out in a few weeks inshaAllah but im pretty excited and nervous lol.
    Inshallah I will be landing on the 10th early morning around 430. In the lower years they use one period for a kitaab and in the higher years they merge 2 periods together and the students have a class and the asaatidha will move from period to period but some classes the students must go to he teachers class. each class has a separate room it's not a big hall. I no what your feeling I felt the same way when I first went.
    قال الشافعي رحمه الله
    لقد زان البلاد ومن عليهـا... إمام المسلمين أبـو حنيفـة
    بأحكـامٍ وآثــار وفـقـهٍ ... كآيات الزبور على الصحيفة
    فما بالمشـرقين لـه نظيـر... ولا بالمغربيـن ولا بكوفـة
    فرحمـة ربنـا أبـداً عليـه ... مدى الأيام ما قرئت صحيفة


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