Need Help - Ahadith regarding Witr Salah

[al_Zayn]

Im trying to do a research on the Witr Salah, so i need to know how many Ahadith there are regarding the Witr.

Mainly Ahadith where our Prophet talks of the importance of Witr and to fulfil it, and also Ahadith mentioning that he never missed it.

Even Hadith from Sahabas [Raa] can be posted, greatly appreciated.

So i need all the help i can get.

And to the Learned Ulama and Talibs who are affiliated with askimam, i have a question; quite a while back [years back] on askimam.com i vaguely remember reading a Hadiith regarding Witr, Mufti Desai Sahib posted a hadith where the Prophet said: [Paraphrasing] "Whoever leaves out Witr is not from amongst us", it was recorded in Mishkat.

What is the authenticity of this hadith? It would be great if Mufti Husain can answer this.

[abulayl]

in the Sunan of Abu Dawud:

Narrated Kharijah ibn Hudhafah al-Adawi:
The Apostle of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) came out to us and said: Allah the Exalted has given you an extra prayer which is better for you then the red camels (i.e. high breed camels). This is the witr which Allah has appointed for you between the night prayer and the daybreak.


Imam Malik (رحمة الله عليه) and Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (رحمة الله عليه) say if someone misses Witr salah his testimony cannot be accepted in an Islamic court. This shows the importance stressed by the scholars to Witr.

One of the reasons why Imam Abu Hanifah (رحمة الله عليه) called it wajib is because of certain hadeeth including a hadeeth in Saheeh Muslim from Abu Sa'id al Khudri.

Abu Sa'id (al Khudri) reported Allah's Apostle صلى الله عليه وسلم) as saying: Observe Witr prayer before it is morning. Abu Sa'id reported that they (the Prophet's Companions) asked the Apostle of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) about Witr (prayer). (In reply to their inquiry) he said: Observe Witr prayer before it is morning.

[al_Zayn]

Akhi.

My question is, [tell me if it makes sense] if the Ahadith on the beard command us to keep our beard [which we regard as Wajib also the Salafis], then according to this crtieria we are commanded to pray our Witr, which will also be classed as Wajib?

does that make sense? Brothers?

[abulayl]

Akhi.

My question is, [tell me if it makes sense] if the Ahadith on the beard command us to keep our beard [which we regard as Wajib also the Salafis], then according to this crtieria we are commanded to pray our Witr, which will also be classed as Wajib?

does that make sense? Brothers?

did ever any salafi brother agree with thzings which make sense? they dont even care what other scholars says except 3-4 own scholar. But you can try.

PS : i dont wanna generalise all.

[al_Zayn]

did ever any salafi brother agree with thzings which make sense? they dont even care what other scholars says except 3-4 own scholar. But you can try.

PS : i dont wanna generalise all.

lol, what the thing is Brother, a Salafi few days back said to me,

"Witr cannot be wajib [Wajib meaning if not acted upon one is liable to punishment as missing the Fardh] because the Hadith where the bedouin came to the Prophet [SAW] and asked if he does the 5 Obligatory prayers and all the other obligatories it will suffice, and Prophet [SAW] said if he spoke the truth [in doing all the Faraidh in Islam] he will go Jannah" [he was paraphrasing the hadith]

I then replied to the Brother in 2 questions: "what is the Shari'i command of beard? and what do you think of a person who doesn't keep it? will he get punished"?

he replied: "Ruling is Wajib/Fardh, and if he doesn't keep it after the Shari'i ruling is known to him he is a Fasiq, Fajir, and will get punished by Allah".

I said: "Then the Prophet [SAW] must have forgot to tell the bedouin about the beard being obligatory on him. Otherwise if it was Obligatory, Prophet [SAW] would have mentioned it, but the Bedouin is still going to Jannah even if he doesn't keep the beard and he wont be punished according to the hadith you used, Solely because Prophet [SAW] never mentioned that it [Beard] being obligatory"

he then said: "we rely on other hadith to prove the Beard", i finally replied: "thank you, you proved my point, we too rely on other ahadith to prove that witr Salah being Wajib, infact we use the hadith you used to deduce Witr cannot never be Fardh".

He didn't say anything after that.

Anyway how did that sound? was there any flaws in my 'discussion'?

for any help.

[abulayl]

the matter is fard prayer and witr prayer isn´t same or has the same value.

if anybody denies fard he will not consider as muslim, but if anybody denies wajib he is still consider as a muslim.

and absoloutely who denies wajib is fasiq , fajir. and thats why Imam Malik (رحمة الله عليه) and Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (رحمة الله عليه) say if someone misses Witr salah his testimony cannot be accepted in an Islamic court. This shows the importance stressed by the scholars to Witr.

a Question : is the testimony of a kafir also acceptable in islamic court?

[al_Zayn]

the matter is fard prayer and witr prayer isn´t same or has the same value.

if anybody denies fard he will not consider as muslim, but if anybody denies wajib he is still consider as a muslim.

and absoloutely who denies wajib is fasiq , fajir. and thats why Imam Malik (رحمة الله عليه) and Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (رحمة الله عليه) say if someone misses Witr salah his testimony cannot be accepted in an Islamic court. This shows the importance stressed by the scholars to Witr.

a Question : is the testimony of a kafir also acceptable in islamic court?

what is the answer to you Q? :-s

[abulayl]

what is the answer to you Q? :-s

thats what i am also asking. if the answer is yes, then you can compair how serious it is by denieng wajib, cause his testimoney has no value like a kafir ones?

was just talking about the value of wajib agains fard.

[al_Zayn]

thats what i am also asking. if the answer is yes, then you can compair how serious it is by denieng wajib, cause his testimoney has no value like a kafir ones?

was just talking about the value of wajib agains fard.

oh i got you now : )



Thnx for your help.