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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    JazaakAllah Khayra. That blog does indeed contain some wrong information unfortunately.
    And if he were to ask for a gentle lady in marriage, he would be refused, and when he leaves the world it does not miss him, and if he goes out, his going out is not noticed, and if he falls sick, he is not attended to, and if he dies, he is not accompanied to his grave.


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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    He has decided to answer from his blog through the comments section: http://daralhadith.blogspot.com/2008...-taqwiyah.html

    I replied to some of his wrong information on his blog earlier when he somehow decided that Tabarruk, Tawassul, Bidah Hasana was something which Deobandis don't accept.

    Quote Originally Posted by al-kakazai View Post
    It comes down to what you define as Deobandi and Barelwi. For the record the Ahsai Hanafis firmly celebrate the Mawlid, accept Bidah Hasanah, Tawassul, Tabarruk etc. Therefore on this basis there is little about them which would appear Deobandi in terms of manhaj.

    http://daralhadith.blogspot.com/2008...e-queries.html
    Since when Deobandis don't accept bid'a hasana (in its linguistic sense mostly), Tawassul and Tabarruk? Shaykh Ibn Alawi al-Maliki even quotes from Mawlana Khalil Ahmad's work Badhl al-Majhud in his Mafahim to prove tabarruk!
    Then he decides to attack Shah Isma'il and when corrected, he suddenly starts whining about why he wasn't contacted directly. While he's the one who is publishing this poison openly on his blog, and then you suddenly feel embarrassed when corrected openly?

    Much could have been said. But the most ironic one is this quote:

    More clearer still there are many passages from Sh Abul Hasan Nadwis books or Mawlana Zakariyyahs books which could be used as being in direct conflict with the contents of the Taqwiyat al-Iman.
    Shaykh Abul Hasan al-Nadwi translated Taqwiyat al-Iman into Arabic, on the request of of Shaykh Zakariyya: http://zakariyya.wordpress.com/downl...wiyat-al-iman/

    He somehow tries to look for contradictions while there aren't any, and even uses al-muhannad to prove his case. This person clearly does not know what he's talking about. The words of Mawlana Anwar Shah and Mawlana Thanwi are actually a proof against these people since they fully supported and praised Shah Isma'il, and never deemed his work as something that should be refuted!
    And if he were to ask for a gentle lady in marriage, he would be refused, and when he leaves the world it does not miss him, and if he goes out, his going out is not noticed, and if he falls sick, he is not attended to, and if he dies, he is not accompanied to his grave.


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    Originally Posted by al-kakazai:
    More clearer still there are many passages from Sh Abul Hasan Nadwis books or Mawlana Zakariyyahs books which could be used as being in direct conflict with the contents of the Taqwiyat al-Iman.
    On the contrary, Shaykh Abdul Hassan Ali Nadwi (may Allah have mercy on him) translated Taqwiat al-Iman into Arabic with preface and hawashi (footnotes) at the order of Shaykh al-Hadith Mawlana Muhammad Zakariyya (may Allah have mercy on him). Mawlana Nadwi mentions that when I was in Madina Munawarra, Mawlana Zakariya insisted that I start translating this work at once while still in Madina. Taqwiat al-Iman Tarjama Hawashi of Mawlana Nadwi was later added into the syllabus of Nadwat al-Ulama, Lukhnow.

    Taqwiat al-Iman Tarjama Hawashi in Arabic and Urdu by Shaykh Abul Hassan Ali Nadwi can be downloaded at the links provided below.

    http://www.4shared.com/file/26577367...ified=fa109d20

    http://www.4shared.com/file/29422006...ified=84a57980

    I have already mentioned in my previous post the views of Hakim al-Ummah Mawlana Thanvi [r.h] and his praise of Mawlana Shah Ismail shaheed [r.h] and of Taqwiat al-Imam.

    As far as Imam al-Asr Sayyid Anwar Shah Kashmiri's (may Allah have mercy on him) views on Taqwiat al-Iman, he said something to the affect:

    "Language is some-what harsh but masail in it are correct."

    And Mawlana Thanwi defended this harshness in these words:

    "The reason for this severity in treatment was the severity of the disease."

    (Hakayat al-Awliya, p 74)
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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    SubhanAllah. I've been following this since the beginning when this thread was seperated. I can't believe he would actually be upset with the public response when it's him who's publicly defaming as shaheed (rah). And than to (initially) not even issue a response but just say essentially "I'm keeping it". May Allah (swt) help the Muslims.
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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    Is any criticism of Taqwiyatul Iman acceptable?

    Any criticism whatsoever?


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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    Please pardon my ignorance but what is the book about and what are the niggly issues whcih has/can cause criticism?

    Is the book available in English?
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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunni_Student786 View Post
    Is any criticism of Taqwiyatul Iman acceptable?

    Any criticism whatsoever?
    Some traditionalists and barelwis go around throwing empty accusations on the author. I would welcome detailed criticism of the issues (whatever is it that they take issue with) so that it gives the other side an opportunity to respond to the specific issue. This is the way of our 'ulama. This is what Mawlana Thanawi on several occasions did (ref: Imdad al-Fatawa / Bawadir al-Nawadir). Why would serious 'ulama (and by extension serious students) entertain empty accusations? Rather than using quotes from scholars, fabricated or otherwise, it is better to pinpoint the issues people have. That would lead to a better discussion in my opinion.


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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    Quote Originally Posted by ENIGMA View Post
    Please pardon my ignorance but what is the book about and what are the niggly issues whcih has/can cause criticism?

    Is the book available in English?


    Taqwiat al-Iman covers issues like tauheed, shirk and numerous biddahs that were prevalent during the time of author.

    It is divided into 6 parts.

    1. What is tauheed and shirk.
    2. How to save oneself from shirk.
    3. Shirk fil ilm.
    4. Shirk fil tasarruf.
    5. Shirk fil ibadat.
    6. Shirk fil a'daat.

    I am not aware of any reliable English translation.
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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    Quote Originally Posted by ENIGMA View Post
    Please pardon my ignorance but what is the book about and what are the niggly issues whcih has/can cause criticism?

    Is the book available in English?
    There is an English translation by Darus Salaam. I haven't sat down and compared it word for word with my Urdu, but I don't see why it would be an "unreliable" one.
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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    Asslamo Allaikum,

    Shaykh Ismael Shaheed (RA) also authored other books on Tassawuuf and the two main ones on Usool of Tassawuuf are:

    1) Siratul Mustaqeem

    2) Abaqaat

    Both of the above Salafees always fail to quote, just like they fail to quote the fact that Shah Wali-ullah (RA) was an Ashari.


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