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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muadh_Khan View Post
    Asslamo Allaikum,

    Shaykh Ismael Shaheed (RA) also authored other books on Tassawuuf and the two main ones on Usool of Tassawuuf are:

    1) Siratul Mustaqeem

    2) Abaqaat

    Both of the above Salafees always fail to quote, just like they fail to quote the fact that Shah Wali-ullah (RA) was an Ashari.
    Assalamulikum,

    Wasn't Siratul Mustaqeem the work of Hazrat Shaykh Syed Ahmed Shaheed (RA)?

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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    Quote Originally Posted by muslim786 View Post
    Assalamulikum,

    Wasn't Siratul Mustaqeem the work of Hazrat Shaykh Syed Ahmed Shaheed (RA)?

    W-Salam,

    Sayings of Hazrat Shaykh Syed Ahmed Shaheed (RA), compiled and expanded by Shah Ismael Shaheed (RA) and his companion (RA) and then checked and approved by Hazrat Shaykh Syed Ahmed Shaheed (RA).

    But I think the first chapter is entirely written by Shah Ismail shaheed (RA).


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    In Sirat-i-Mustaqim, Mawlana Shah Ismail Shahid (may Allah have mercy on him) compiled the malfuzat of his master in tasawwuf and jihad Imam Sayyid Ahmad Shahid (may Allah have mercy on him). So he is not really the author of this book but just a compiler as it is also mentioned on the front cover of this book.

    Also mentioned by Sahib Nuzhat al-Khawatir [father of Shaykh Abul Hassan Ali Nadwi]:

    بالفارسي جمع فيه ما صح عن شيخه السيد الإمام قولا وفعلا

    Not just that but some of the malfuzat in there were compiled by Mawlana Abdul Hay Burhanwi (may Allah have mercy on him), son in law of Imam Shah Abdul Aziz Dehlwi (may Allah have mercy on him). It is interesting that Ahl al-Biddah take some statements of Sirat-e-Mustaqim for their propaganda against Mawlana Shahid but are quiet when it comes to Sayyid Ahmed Shahid and Mawlana Abdul Hay. If this book contains kufr then who is to blame? Mawlana Shahid or Sayyid Ahmed Shahid?

    List of books of Mawlana Shahid:

    1. Taqwiat al-Iman - Tashrih of first part of Kalima. [Farsi].

    2. Rad al-Ishrak - Second part of Taqwiat. [Arabic].

    3. Tazkara al-Ikhwan - Tashrih of second part of kalima. [Urdu].

    4. Mansab Imamat - On politics. [Farsi].

    Sahib Nazhat al-Khawatir, Mawlana Hakim Sayyid Abdul Hay Lukhnawi al-Hassani, writes that this book is unmatched in the history.

    ومنها: منصب إمامة، في تحقيق منصب النبوة والإمامة وهو مما لم يسبق إليه

    5. Risala Dar 'Ilm-i-Mantiq - [Farsi].

    Sahib Nazhat al-Khawatir mentions that Mawlana has presented such proofs in this book that none of his contemporaries had courage to refute it.

    وقال أحمد بن محمد المتقي الدهلوي ف آثار الصناديد:إن رسالة له في المنطق ادعى فيها أن الشكل الرابع أجلى البديهيات والشكل الأول خلافه وأقام على ذلك الادعاء من البراهين ما لم يندفع ولم يجترئ على دفعها أحد من معاصريه

    "Ahmad bin Muhammad al-Mutaqi said in Athar al-Sanadid: He wrote a treatise in Logic in which he claimed that the fourth shakl is most vivid badihi while the first shakl is vice-versa. He established it with proofs which could not be repelled and none from his contemporaries dared to confront it."

    6. Tanwir al-'Ain fi Isbat Rafa al-Yadayn - [Arabic].

    7. Eidah al-Haq al-Tasrih Ahkam al-Mayyat wa al-Zarih. [Farsi].

    8. Abaqat - On tasawwuf. Mawlana Saeed Ahmed Khan mentioned that if one has read the books of Shaykh ibn Arabi (may Allah have mercy on him), he would find similarity in their writing style. [Arabic].

    9. Yak Rozi - This is a reply to risala of Mawlana Fazl Haq Khairabadi with criticism of Taqwiat al-Iman. One day while Mawlana Shah Shahid was going to masjid someone handed him this risala. After salat he sat in the masjid and wrote a reply in one majlis, that is why it is known as Yak Rozi. [Farsi].

    10. Usul al-Fiqh - [Arabic].

    11. Haqiqat Tasawwuf - [Farsi].

    12. Al-Arbain fi Ahwal al-Mahdiyin - On the coming of Sayyiduna Mahdi..

    13. Shah Sahib also wrote many qasaid and poetry in Farsi and Urdu.
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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    Asalaamu 'Alaikum

    4. Mansab Imamat - On politics. [Farsi].
    9. Yak Rozi - This is a reply to risala of Mawlana Fazl Haq Khairabadi with criticism of Taqwiat al-Iman. One day while Mawlana Shah shaheed was going to masjid someone handed him this risala. After salat he sat in the masjid and wrote a reply in one majlis, that is why it is known as Yak Rozi. [Farsi].
    Are either of these available in translation (Urdu/English)? If not, do you know where I can get the Farsi copies? JazakAllahKhair.
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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    Quote Originally Posted by khanbaba View Post


    In Sirat-e-Mustaqeen, Mawlana Shah Ismail shaheed [r.h] compiled the malfuzaat of his master in tasawwuf and jihad Imam Syed Ahmad shaheed [r.h]. So he is not really the author of this book but just a compiler as it is also mentioned on the front cover of this book.

    Also mentioned by saheb Nazhat al-Khawatir writes:

    بالفارسي جمع فيه ما صح عن شيخه السيد الإمام قولا وفعلا

    Not just that but some of the malfuzaat in there were compiled by Mawlana Abdul Hay Burhanwi [r.h], son in law of Imam Shah Abdul Aziz Dehlwi [r.h]. It is interesting that Ahle Biddah take some statements of Sirat-e-Mustaqeen for their propaganda against Mawlana shaheed but are quiet when it comes to Syed Ahmed shaheed and Mawlana Abdul Hay. If this book contains kufr then who is to blame? Mawlana shaheed or Syed Ahmed shaheed?

    List of books of Mawlana shaheed:

    1. Taqwiat al-Iman - Tashreeh of first part of kalima. [Farsi].

    2. Rad al-Ishrak - Second part of Taqwiat. [Arabic].

    3. Tazkara al-Ikhwan - Tashreeh of second part of kalima. [Urdu].

    4. Mansab Imamat - On politics. [Farsi].

    Saheb Nazhat al-Khawatir, Mawlana Hakim Syed Abdul Hay Lukhnawial-Hassani [r.h], writes that this book is unmatched in the history.

    ومنها: منصب إمامة، في تحقيق منصب النبوة والإمامة وهو مما لم يسبق إليه

    5. Risala Dar Ilm-e-Mantiq - [Farsi].

    Saheb Nazhat al-Khawatir mentions that Mawlana has presented such proofs in this book that none of his contemporaries had courage to refute it.

    وقال أحمد بن محمد المتقي الدهلوي ف آثار الصناديد:إن رسالة له في المنطق ادعى فيها أن الشكل الرابع أجلى البديهيات والشكل الأول خلافه وأقام على ذلك الادعاء من البراهين ما لم يندفع ولم يجترئ على دفعها أحد من معاصريه

    6. Tanweer al-Ain fi Isbaat Rafa al-Yadain - [Arabic].

    7. Eidah al-Haq al-Tasreeh Ahkam al-Mayyat wa al-Zareeh. [Farsi].

    8. Abaqaat - On tasawwuf. Mawlana Saeed Ahmed Khan mentioned that if one has read the books of Shaykh ibn Arabi [r.h], he would find similarity in their writing style. [Arabic].

    9. Yak Rozi - This is a reply to risala of Mawlana Fazl Haq Khairabadi with criticism of Taqwiat al-Iman. One day while Mawlana Shah shaheed was going to masjid someone handed him this risala. After salat he sat in the masjid and wrote a reply in one majlis, that is why it is known as Yak Rozi. [Farsi].

    10. Usool al-Fiqh - [Arabic].

    11. Haqeeqat Tasawwuf - [Farsi].

    12. Al-Arbain fi Ahwal al-Mahdiyeen - On the coming of Imam Mahdi.

    13. Shah saheb also wrote many qaseedas and poetry in Farsi and Urdu.


    Who are you referring to as Ahle Bidah here? I suppose you mean the Barelvi group of Sunni muslims. For the record you will find that this group of Sunni muslims also attacks Hazrat Syed Ahmed Saheed (RA), and does not keep quiet, in fact they have attacked the late Allamah Abdal Latif Fultali Al Naqshbandi-Mujadidi-Muhammadi for his following the Tareeqa Muhammdiya of Shah Syed Ahmed Shaheed (ra).

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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]



    Can Sidi Khanbaba or any other knowledgable Sunni brother (but someone who is in favour of Shah Ismael Saheed (ra)) please let me know if this following english translation of the book Taqwiyatul Iman is accurate or not:

    http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/Taqwiyatul-Imaan.pdf





    PS That translation is hosted on a salafi site.
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    Originally Posted by MuhammadMufti:
    Are either of these available in translation (Urdu/English)? If not, do you know where I can get the Farsi copies? JazakAllahKhair
    I am not aware if Yak Rozi and Maqam Imamat has been translated into any other language but you should be able to get these books from any major bookstore in Pakistan.

    Originally Posted by muslim786:
    For the record you will find that this group of Sunni muslims also attacks Hazrat Syed Ahmed Saheed (RA), and does not keep quiet, in fact they have attacked the late Allamah Abdal Latif Fultali Al Naqshbandi-Mujadidi-Muhammadi for his following the Tareeqa Muhammdiya of Shah Syed Ahmed Shaheed (ra).
    Well, Ahmed Raza Khan Beralwi wrote alot against Mawlana Shah Ismail shaheed but I am not aware if he ever wrote anything against Syed Ahmad shaheed? In his works like Al-Kokabat al-Shahabiya, when criticising Sirat-e-Mustaqeen, he only names Shah Ismail shaheed and not others.
    Maybe you are referring to present day Beralwi scholars?

    As far as Taqwiat al-Iman in English, mawlana Shamli1857 mentioned:

    "I've read the Salafi English translation of Taqwiyat al-Iman and also compared certain sections to the original Urdu. There are some immense injustices done by the Salafi translation."
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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    I am not aware if Yak Rozi and Maqam Imamat has been translated into any other language but you should be able to get these books from any major bookstore in Pakistan.
    Bhai, I don't live in Pakistan

    As far as Taqwiat al-Iman in English, mawlana Shamli1857 mentioned:

    "I've read the Salafi English translation of Taqwiyat al-Iman and also compared certain sections to the original Urdu. There are some immense injustices done by the Salafi translation."
    Is Mawlana saheb available for comment himself? Can he mention the particular instances? I have both the Dar us Salam print and an Urdu copy - I haven't seen these "immense injustices" and just want to know the particular cases of such - May Allah (swt) forgive us all.
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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    Quote Originally Posted by khanbaba View Post

    Mansab e Imamat

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    wa alaykum as salam

    Yes it has been translated into Urdu and is freely available in Pakistani Islamic bookstores.


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    Default Re: Defending Shah Ismail shaheed against lies [thread split]

    Assalam o alaykum,

    Who first gave the followers of Waliullah thought/school the title of "Wahhabi"?

    Janab Aijaz ul-Haq Quddusi who is a famous historian and a sharih of Dr. Allamah Iqbal (may Allah have mercy on him) writes while discussing Ulama-e-Su'u of the time:

    "British were aware of the influence of Ulama. They took fatwas from Ulama-e-Su'u in which Sayyid Ahmad Shahid and Mawlana Ismail Shahid were declared Wahhabis and secular. British were declared to be ligitimate rulers [in those fatwas]...It was declared wajib to show allegiance to the British."

    (Iqbal aur Ulama Pak wa Hind, p 35)

    British knew that to stop the movement of Sayyid Ahmad Shahid and his followers, the easiest way is to label them Wahhabis. This will turn many people against them and their movement will lose support.
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