Title of Ghaus-e-azam, Data Ganj Bakhsh etc.?

[Ibn_Harith]

Dr. Abu Ameenah Bilal Phillips , who is a very learned scholar of authentic Islam , and whi is our Shaikh.

Erm...can you tell us where and under whom your shaikh studied to become "a very learned scholar of authentic Islam"...or dont tell me you're comitting the kabira sin of 'blind-following'.

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Lets focus back on the issue:

1) Can someone give me conclusive evidence of the meaning of the term?

2) Can someone give me conclusive evidence of Dr Abu Ameenah Bilal Phillips expertise in Persian language to have defined a term and then issued a Fatwa on it? I don't mean to be rude and/or degrading but to the best of my knowledge he doesn't know the language.

Jazakullah Khairun

[Ibn Ajibah]

The appellation, al-Ghawth al-'Azam, used for Sh. Abdul Qadir al-Jaylani does not mean that he is being described with a quality of Allah. If we accept that argument, then we should also say that the appellation for Abu Hanifa: 'al-Imam al-'Azam' means he is being described with a quality that is exclusive to the Messenger of Allah--sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.

Brother JayshAllah, I get what you are trying to say, but what you must understand is that a term can be universal in its wording even though it is restricted in its actual meaning. For example, if I say that someone in my class is is the greatest student, that is relative to the classroom, the school, or the district, etc. That doesn't mean that I necessarily believe he is the greatest student ever to walk the face of the earth.

When people use these types of expressions, the use it in a relative or restricted sense that does not violate tawhid. If you dont agree, then do you also hold the same view regarding "Imam al-Azam"?

The appellation: al-Ghawth al-Azam, does not violate tawhid, just as the appellation: al-Imam al-'Azam does not violate risala. And Allah knows best.

[JayshAllah]

sallam; JayshAllah

I have an example:

You being the good muslim you are. You give hundreds of people everyday support, comfort, food and aid them; as Allah has granted you a good standard of life.

Wa alaykum as-salam.

When I die, I will not be able to give aid or help to anyone. To say otherwise is to commit shirk, bro.

these are just words dont make a big issue!!

And yet the Prophet [s] made a big deal about such words, forbidding the Sahabah from using such terminology for himself.

even the weakest, youngest, and the most corrupt of us muslim still know Allah swt Gives Everything!!

Many people call themselves Muslims, yet call on other than Allah [swt]. But I agree with you: they are not Muslim.

And Br Billil Phillips may be good for dawat put the day when he spoke about people like sh. Abdul Qadir Jillian

I have a book by Imam Bilal Philips in which he praises Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani and said that the Shaykh was an orthodox Hanbali scholar, innocent of the shirk attributed to him by his polytheistic followers.

not insult others if they have different views

We condemn those who do shirk.

Asslamo Allaikum,

Wa alaykum as-salam, dear brother.

Issue at hand is conclusively proving that Gaus Al Azam actually means the "greatest helper".

Bro, a simple google search proves it. Doesn't take a rocket scientist. "Ghaus" means helper. And Al-Azam means the "The Greatest". There is no doubt in this. For example, Ismi Azam means "The Greatest Name."

Anyways, here it is on a Sufi website:

http://www.sunnirazvi.org/Data/backu...ri_silsila.htm.

To the Qadiris in the subcontinent, the founder of their Order has over ninety-nine names, is called Ghaus-ul-Azam (Ghaus-e-Azam/Ghaus-e-Paak), or ‘Greatest Helper’

LOLLLL!!!

Ninety names for the Shaykh!?

Pure shirk.

As far as "May Allah [swt] preserve Dr. Bilal Philips, who has done more for dawah than everyone on this website/forum combined" then the forum has over 10,000 members and your statement is:

a) Logically absurd

It was hyperbole, bro. But ok fine, it was too much.

But he has done more than any single individual on this forum. That is for sure.

b) Excessive praise and against the Sunnah

I leave it for you to answer to Allah (SWT) on the day of judgement.

Why the melodrama bro?

Just for the record, Hakim ul Ummat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi has used the word Ghaus-e-paak for Shaikh Abdal Qadir Jilani . See the book Arwah-e-Thalatha.

Thanks.

Ghaus-e-paak is different than Ghaus-e-Azam. I don't know what the former means, but I think it means "the Pure Helper", which would not be as problematic as the GREATEST HELPER, which is clearly Allah [swt].

The appellation, al-Ghawth al-'Azam, used for Sh. Abdul Qadir al-Jaylani does not mean that he is being described with a quality of Allah.

This is a simple matter that even someone like Amina Wadud or Irshad Manji could tell you. Ask such a corrupt person "who is The Greatest Helper" and they will reply Allah. Anyone who replies otherwise is a kaafir.

This is called Tawheed Al-Asma Was-Sifaat. It is the essence of that. If that is not, then I don't know what is.

If we accept that argument, then we should also say that the appellation for Abu Hanifa: 'al-Imam al-'Azam' means he is being described with a quality that is exclusive to the Messenger of Allah--sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.

It is not shirk, since Allah [swt] is not a leader. Having said that, it is probably exaggeration.

Assalam Alaikum wa rahmat Allah,

saying that Allah would not give to one of his abds the role of greates helper in human level smell like salafi.

It smells like a Muslim.

Fi Aman Allah

[jshaikh]

Assalaamu Alaikum...

" Ghaus-e-Azam " literally means " great helper ".....this quality belongs only to Allah swt. and not to any human , even though Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani ()Rehmatullah Alaihe ) was a very pious Muslim.

Doctors are great helpers too right. They help cure u but who gives them the knowledge to know how to cure you, Allah Azzawajal. well Ghaus-e-Azam Rehmatullahialay was indeed a great helper but just remember the power to help was given to him by Allah azzawajal. He only was a helper through Allah. if one was to think no he got the power to help without Allah then that would be shirk but non of the ahlus sunnah believe that.