Sources request , Tafsir Ibn Abbas and Asbab al-Nuzul

[Karim_sunni]

Salaam aleikom dear brothers and sisters, i have almost finished a new article for my website on the quranic verse 2:223 [ which is often misinterpretated by polemics against Islam ] . In my article i rely heavely on Tanwir al-miqbas min Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas and Al-Wahidi's Asbab al-Nuzul in order to refute certain claims by polemics against Islam. I could find their comments online at www.altafsir.org . However i somehow dislike to give source references to websites, since links of websites often change later in time, or websites sometime become in-active later on. So i would be very gratefull if someone could give me the sources from the book version of Tafsir Ibn Abbas and Al Wahidi's Asbab al-Nuzul. Unfortunate at the moment my financial state is not that good, and buying the english translation of Tafsir Ibn Abbas at amazon.com already costs alone 124 dollar , so i really hope someone can provide me with the sources on this forum. Below i shall cite the quotations which i used in my article, in order to demonstrate for which quotations i need it;s source. The quotations i used are:

1:

Tafsir Ibn Abbas

as ye will – “as” you please, from behind or front as long as the penetration is in the pudendum

online source:

http://www.altafsir.org/Tafasir.asp?...&UserProfile=0

2:

Tafsir Ibn Abbas

Your women are a tilth for you .. He says: the vulvas of your wives are plantations for your offspring

online source:

http://www.altafsir.org/Tafasir.asp?...&UserProfile=0

3:

Al Wahidi's Asbab al-Nuzul

Ibn 'Abbas said: “This was revealed about the Emigrants after they settled in Medina. They mentioned having sex with their wives from the front and back positions and did not see any harm in doing so as long as the penetration was done in the women's sexual organ. The Helpers [ the Ansar ] and Jews who were present condemned this and mentioned that the only lawful way of sleeping with one's wife is to do it from the front position. The Jews also mentioned that they find in the Torah that it is filth in the sight of Allah to sleep with one's wife in any other position than when the wife is lying on her back, and failing to do so is the cause why children are born cross-eyed or mentally disturbed. The Muslims mentioned this to the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, saying: 'In the pre-Islamic period and after we embraced Islam we always had sex with our wives in any position we liked. The Jews have condemned us for doing so and, further, claimed this and that'. And so Allah, exalted is He, gave the lie to the Jews and revealed this verse to give dispensation [ … so go to your tilth as ye will ]. He says: the sexual organ of the wife is the plantation where the child grows [ so go to your tilth as ye will ] , meaning: from in front of her and from behind her as long as the penetration is done in her sexual organ

online source:

http://www.altafsir.org/Tafasir.asp?...&Page=3&Size=1

4:

Al Wahidi's Asbab al-Nuzul

Abu Bakr Muhammad ibn 'Umar al-Khashshab informed us …. : “The Jews used to say: 'Whoever penetrates his wife from a back position, the child born to them as a result of this intercourse would be born cross-eyed'. Because of this, the women of the Helpers did not let their husbands penetrate them from a back position. A group of them went to see the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, and asked him about having sex with their wives while in their period of menstruation and also about the claim of the Jews. Allah, glorious and exalted is He, revealed therefore [ They question thee ( O Muhammad ) concerning menstruation. Say: It is an illness, so let women alone at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves… ] , i.e. by performing a major ritual ablution [ And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you ] i.e. from the front [ Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanness. Your women are a tilth for you ( to cultivate ) so go to your tilth as ye will… ] because it is in the tilth that the child will grow and it is from there that it will come out” ...

online source:

http://www.altafsir.org/Tafasir.asp?...&UserProfile=0

I would be very gratefull if someone could provide me with the sources from the books of the above four quotations.

ma salama
Kevin Abdullah Kareem.

[MohammadMufti]

Asalaamu 'Alaikum brother.

I would help, but than again, when I use Asbab an Nuzul, I also go to the same site :P I just ask you to ask a scholar before using the so-called Tanwir al Miqbas under the impression that it is actually from Ibn Abbas (ra) - I remember having heard that it was not authentic source.

[AbuHarris]

وعليكم السلام

I don't have the translations, but if you need references to the original Arabic, the verse is explained in:
Tafsīr Ibn ʿAbbās, (Published by Jāmiʿat Umm al-Qurā), n.d., pp. 108-117.
al-Wāḥidī, Asbāb nuzūl al-Qurʾān, Beirut: ʿĀlam al-Kutub, n. d., pp. 52-54.

Also, you may look at these relevant hadiths:
Scroll to hadith nos. 2157 and 2159:
http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/ab...d/005_sat.html

والسلام

[Karim_sunni]

وعليكم السلام

I don't have the translations, but if you need references to the original Arabic, the verse is explained in:
Tafsīr Ibn ʿAbbās, (Published by Jāmiʿat Umm al-Qurā), n.d., pp. 108-117.
al-Wāḥidī, Asbāb nuzūl al-Qurʾān, Beirut: ʿĀlam al-Kutub, n. d., pp. 52-54.

Also, you may look at these relevant hadiths:
Scroll to hadith nos. 2157 and 2159:
http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/ab...d/005_sat.html

والسلام

Salaam dear brother, the references to the orginal Arabic would be great. Ufortunate i do not have acces myself to these works, nor can i read Arabic yet. I would be very thankful if you could tell me on which specific page [ or pages ] the comments of Ibn Abbas can be found i cited:

Tafsir Ibn Abbas

as ye will – “as” you please, from behind or front as long as the penetration is in the pudendum

online source:

http://www.altafsir.org/Tafasir.asp?...&UserProfile=0

Tafsir Ibn Abbas

Your women are a tilth for you .. He says: the vulvas of your wives are plantations for your offspring

online source:

http://www.altafsir.org/Tafasir.asp?...&UserProfile=0

[AbuHarris]

وعليكم السلام

We are not talking about the same work.
The two quotations you mention are from Tanwīr al-miqbās min Tafsīr Ibn ʿAbbās which is falsely attributed to Ibn ʿAbbās (raḍiya llāhu ʿanhu). This work has been published several times on its own or in the margin of some other work. Its author is al-Fīrūzābādī, famous for his dictionary al-Qāmūs al-muḥīṭ. I don't have Tanwīr al-miqbās min Tafsīr Ibn ʿAbbās, but in an online version of this work which matches the pagination of the printed Dār al-Kutub al-ʿIlmīyya edition, the original Arabic text of the two quotes is found on page 30. The year of the Dār al-Kutub al-ʿIlmīyya edition is not provided. I have come across the year 1987, 1992 and 2000 which all refer to the first edition of the work from the same publisher.
The work should be cited as Tanwīr al-miqbās min Tafsīr Ibn ʿAbbās and not Tafsīr Ibn ʿAbbās which is a different work, the one I mentioned in my previous post in this thread.

والسلام

[Karim_sunni]

وعليكم السلام

We are not talking about the same work.
The two quotations you mention are from Tanwīr al-miqbās min Tafsīr Ibn ʿAbbās which is falsely attributed to Ibn ʿAbbās (raḍiya llāhu ʿanhu). This work has been published several times on its own or in the margin of some other work. Its author is al-Fīrūzābādī, famous for his dictionary al-Qāmūs al-muḥīṭ. I don't have Tanwīr al-miqbās min Tafsīr Ibn ʿAbbās, but in an online version of this work which matches the pagination of the printed Dār al-Kutub al-ʿIlmīyya edition, the original Arabic text of the two quotes is found on page 30. The year of the Dār al-Kutub al-ʿIlmīyya edition is not provided. I have come across the year 1987, 1992 and 2000 which all refer to the first edition of the work from the same publisher.
The work should be cited as Tanwīr al-miqbās min Tafsīr Ibn ʿAbbās and not Tafsīr Ibn ʿAbbās which is a different work, the one I mentioned in my previous post in this thread.

والسلام

Djazakallah dear brother for the source, i will cite them as

"Tanwir al-miqbas min Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas [ Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyya ] , p.30

Also thank you for the clarification about the authenticity of this tafsir as an attribution to Ibn ABbas. One last request brother could you also give me the specific page numbers for the 2 quotations from Asbab al-Nuzul which i posted in my opening post [ the last quotation, i.e. nr. 4 is from al-Wahidi's commentary om v. 2:222 ] . Again brother djazakallah for your great help, i really appreciate it.

ma salama

[AbuHarris]

وعليكم السلام

Quote no. 3: al-Wāḥidī, Asbāb al-nuzūl, Beirut: ʿĀlam al-Kutub, n. d., p. 54.
Quote no. 4: al-Wāḥidī, Asbāb al-nuzūl, Beirut: ʿĀlam al-Kutub, n. d., p. 51.

Quotes 1 & 2: al-Fīrūzābādī, Tanwīr al-miqbās min Tafsīr Ibn ʿAbbās, Beirut: Dār al-Kutub al-ʿIlmīyya, p. 30.

والسلام

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Asslamo Allaikum Dear Brother,

Tanwir al-miqbas min Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas is not Authentic and cannot be attributed to Sayydina Ibn Abbas (RA).

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...79&postcount=8

[Karim_sunni]

وعليكم السلام

Quote no. 3: al-Wāḥidī, Asbāb al-nuzūl, Beirut: ʿĀlam al-Kutub, n. d., p. 54.
Quote no. 4: al-Wāḥidī, Asbāb al-nuzūl, Beirut: ʿĀlam al-Kutub, n. d., p. 51.

Quotes 1 & 2: al-Fīrūzābādī, Tanwīr al-miqbās min Tafsīr Ibn ʿAbbās, Beirut: Dār al-Kutub al-ʿIlmīyya, p. 30.

والسلام

Djazakallah brother, may ALlah bless you, i really appreciate your help, i am really thankfull for these sources.

[Karim_sunni]

Asslamo Allaikum Dear Brother,

Tanwir al-miqbas min Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas is not Authentic and cannot be attributed to Sayydina Ibn Abbas (RA).

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...79&postcount=8

Thx for pointing this out brother, djazakallah.