Last edited by ahsanirfan; 03-07-2012 at 10:33 PM.
Assalamoalaykum!Originally Posted by ahsanirfan
Brother - you are seriously mixed up here! How can you make halal what Allah Ta'ala has made haraam?! Islam is perfect and complete and you cannot change it according to anyones desires and fancies.
If you think that there is some benefit in music, that may be the case, but there is benefit in other things too - like wine. Allah Ta'ala mentions this in the Quran when He says that:
'They ask you concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit."'
So even though there is some benefit in wine, it is still totally Haram, and you are not even allowed to drink a single drop!
Please think about these ahadith:
1) Sayyiduna Abu Malik al-Ash’ari (Allah be pleased with him) reports that he heard the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) say to the near meaning: “There will appear people in my Ummah, who will hold adultery, silk, alcohol and musical instruments to be lawful.” (Sahih al-Bukhari)
2) Abu Malik al-Ash’ari (Allah be pleased with him) narrates a similar type of Hadith, but a different wording. He reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to the near meaning: “Soon there will be people from my Ummah who will consume alcohol, they will change its name (by regarding it permissible. m), on there heads will be instruments of music and singing. Allah will make the ground swallow them up, and turn them into monkeys and swine.” (Sahih Ibn Hibban & Sunan Ibn Majah, with a sound chain of narration)
That's how serious it is. So dear brothers, you have to understand - you cannot water down Islam - you have to follow it fully! We have to Enter into Islam Completely.
You just can't invite people towards Islam, and invite them towards Allah Ta'ala, using a 'tool' which earns His Anger. Think about what you are saying here! There are much more better approaches, much more compatible with the sunnah (for example, the beautiful movement of Dawa and Tabligh which has attracted many many youngsters to become fully practicing, even those who used to be hardcore music listeners, Alhumdulillah.)
Well, there are positions that permit the listening of music (if not the playing) as non-haram and valid ones at that.. Also, there have been exemptions on the basis of fiqh for certain cultures/types, of course with a valid shari basis - I believe Sh Nuh touched on these in a talk he gave on the subject.
We must remember that music can be with or without instruments and nasheeds/freestyle verse can sound pretty too.
With regards to the band cited here, I agree with the statement that they overpoliticise.. I'm also somewhat uncertain about the lyrical content of some of their songs, such as scholars for dollars (if I can recall, s'been a while..).
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I Get High Without Getting High - R.U.K.H Isa Qadiri
I think this is impossible because to do this you have to have someone knowledgable in the Deen (some who knows what he's doing is haraam) learn to play and perform on musical instruments.Originally Posted by ahsanirfan
Originally Posted by ahsanirfan
Assalamoalaykum! JazakAllah for the reply...
Forgive me if I offended you - I dont thin kit was my intention to say that you personally are making things halal, or that you personally are watering down Islam, but I was being general, so if it came across as an attack then forgive me.
I understand what your explanation is, and obviously I am not an alim nor have I even studied fiqh to a proper degree, but I still think that your "Scenario 2" is wrong. When I read it, I was reminded of the following hadith:
Dailamah Al-Humairee states to the near meaning: I asked the Holy Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him), ‘O Messenger of Allah (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) , Verily we are in a cold land, and we have to work hard therein, and we prepare wine from this wheat which gives as strength in our works and in the chill of our cities.’ He asked: ‘Does it intoxicate?’ ‘yes’ he replied. He said that, ‘Give it up.’ I said, ‘Verily the people can not give it up.’ He said that, ‘If they do not give it up, fight with them.’ (Abu Dawood)
Obviously we have to ask our Ulema the fiqh etc. but it kind of relates to the previous post comparing music to alcohol. Also bear in mind that alcohol is physically addictive and very difficult to stop if you are addicted, inshaAllah, and music is not really really on the same level at all.
Obviously, yes, we have to use wisdom. If the person is slowly weaned off it then that is one thing, but that doesn't mean that we personally hand the bottle of alcohol to him, if you understand what I mean. If we provide so-called "Islamic" music for them to be weaned off "real" music, then isn't it like we are handing the bottle to him ourselves?
I really think that we cannot revive Islam except through the way taught by Nabi SallAllahu Alayhe Wa Sallam, and if we invite towards Islam in any way contradictory to the teachings of Nabi SallAllahu Alayhe Wa Sallam then how can it be successful?
Allah Ta'ala knows best, may He forgive us for our mistakes. Ameen.
Last edited by Alhumdulillah; 08-03-2005 at 05:46 PM.
As salamua alaikum
I used to play musical instruments and sing for many years before Islam. Even after, until a while ago, I used to sing nasheeds.
The thing is, music will only cause you to love music even more. You can change the topic you sing about, but it won't change the fact that you are being inibriated (sic?) by the music- experiencing a sort of drunken, passionate unawareness which can control your emotions. I still find myself, after trying not to sing at all, humming, having songs in my head, even at times bursting out spontaneously...
First, you must realize why its wrong. Then, make a commitment not to do it. Then, try to go to some event where you can boost your imaan, or feel good about what you will practise. Examples are going for a jama'at, or a program liek that, or Hajj, 'Umrah, something where you participate and decide to be better. Then, just don't succumb to it even if you mess up a bit. Personally, I loved music- and still, as a Muslim, really like it, but if its wrong, which my teacher says it is, in all forms, and his reasoning is vey convincign and proofs seem there, I would avoid it.
I would suggest that a person who listens to music but would like to stop:
1) Listens to a bayan like Maulana Suliman Mullah's one or Maulana Korolia's one. This will inshaAllah help them understand why it is prohibited, and it will have an effect of psyching them up to take positive action. (Alhumdulillah, I know one brother who stopped listening to music after listening to Maulana Suliman's talk, mashaAllah).
2) Ask Allah Ta'ala for strength and Tawfiq.
3) Then, destroy all CDs and MP3s and cassette tapes of music that one might have (even deleting mobile ring tones) - because if a person is on a high level at a certain point, but he still has these CDs under his bed, then there may be a temptation later on after a few months to take them out again. I feel like this is a necessary step, because it is like 'burning the boats' - it is harder to go back to listening once one does this.
4) And if after that he feels a craving, then maybe he can listen to halal nasheeds which are just singing with no music - this would be like the 'weaning off' that was mentioned before.
Allah Ta'ala knows best.
Honestly, I have found that listening to "halaal nasheeds" (that could be an oxymoron, Allahu 'alam) are not much different from music.
My teacher explains: Music is what inibriates you. It alters your state to a sort of intoxication. You begin to rock, and tap, and invariably, become more wrapt up in the melody. The deception can become the melody- when you think you are actually feelign the message, it is the messengER (the tune) that is altering your state, whereas the message wouldn't be able to do that stand-alone.
That is unlike poetry, or better yet, the Qur'an, which has no tune, but is moving without altering your state.
Now, I was in disagreement with my teacher, till I thought about it. As a formerly musical person, I still burst into song in the shower (and quickly stop), still play on words at times with lyrics to songs I knew, and someone who knew beats, I also tell my wife I feel like the rhythm is something I can always pick up. But you know, I used to feel, after I found nasheeds, that listening to a nice Dawud Wharnsby track, that my imaan was highest. Cruising through the street, windows down, nasheed running through my hair in the summer as my eyes were half-closed in happiness and a sort of while-driving meditation.
Then, I listened to an S of A rap track and felt very aggressive. Then, I heard another Middle Eastern one that I thought was used as a belly dancing track. Another one would make my eyes well up with tears. My hand would be drumming along (lol even that, if people here know English nasheeds, has me saying dru-ming a-a-long)... on the steering wheel, the desk, my pencil, even my teeth, would feel it and join in.
Was my imaan really higher? When I hear "Muhammad, 'alayhi salaam, sat qui-et-lee-ee in the -ee-eev-ning/his Com-pan-nions asked, oh beau-ti-ful man, why do you sit he-re gri-i-ieving?" Does my imaan really increase after that? I know my love for him Sallahu 'Alaihi wasalaam is stirred, for sure, I am crying, I can't even focus my thoughts on anything else. But after, do I pray two raka'ats, or what? It is a stirring of my lusts, for sure... I know because at times in the shower (where I am not sure if I can talk, so what I do is), I can't talk, so I am subconsciously humming the song, mindless of the words.
When is the last time (in those times) I recited Qur'an spontaneosuly? Or why can't I remember Qur'an like I remember it? Or why did I stop playing Qur'an cassettes in the car for nasheeds? Is it cause the high of nasheeds i more immediate, even perhaps gratifying to my desires? Why don't I have patience for Qur'an after that?
Lust. Yes, it has a lot to do with i. Not just sexually. When I was a teen, hearing rock music made me feel like driving fast, and some really thugged out hip hop would make you want to start "frontin'", and fighting in movies is also characterized by these types of music. Lets fight, lets destory things. where is that mentality coming from?
Why when the Braveheart track comes on, I feel like puffing out my chest, looking to the horizon with my jaw clenched, and suddenly imagine my hair and a headband blowing in the face of wind, imgine chivalrous fighting and feel sentimental to the cause spoken of in the movie? They can take their homes, sure, but they can't take their FREE-DOM!
Or in uni, there was a hallway that had music playing in it. I would notice everyone walking in the hallway would suddenly start to strut, or walk in step. If the music was rock, you would walk fast do a lot of quick sideglances, if it was slowjam, you would oooze across the floor and you would lean back in your gait, or even indian music and you would be walking with you shoulders bobbing lol.. no joke, when I went down there, I would purposely break my step from the beat, cause it always falls in sync, and you feel like everyone is watching you. It could actually color your mood.
Last example: its lust provactivity (sic? rather, (such a word?) ) is most evident with male/female settings. I backed up at a nasheed concert once, in the time when I wanted to get into singing nasheeds seriously.
I could feel the sexual tension, and the denial of it, and the religous guise over it. Mind you, there was no illicit looking, actually it was calm, but I could feel the desire there... the hijabi girls with flushed faces and glassy wide eyes watching the speaker/singer, or the bros standing a bit extra straight, always available for a "yes sister?", eyebrow raise, concerned look, lean in sort of "lets-talk about the song this is just Islamic interchange" business. If you know what I mean, its the easiest way to pick up, song, because its passion, and that is preceisely what calls me to question whether by singing nasheeds, I am fulfilling my desires, or really doing it for the love of Allah SWT? Why is it only defended by those who have instituted their group's practise in it? Why do they feel they can't withdraw from it when we know the Prophet SallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam didn't need it? With all the potential side effects and temptations, do we just allow its cause its hard to control our urges?
I don't know, I have no solid side I take, these are just thoughts. A sort of experiment. Whatever the shari'ah says, I am for that. I have also derived much temporary benefit from nasheeds, so I can't say they are all bad, just I don't know how th scholars of the past would look at them. And this is not discounting nearness to Allah SWT, our scholars and auliya, and tasawwuf.
Allah SWT give me and us hidayah to these questions and others, save me from hypocrisy, and give me tawfiq to follow what I preach first, and al of us. Ameen.